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The media has been lying to us all. We have to start from that position. This is something I believe those who lean to the right have understood for a long time. It is something that I hope those on the left now start to better understand. A review of the Biden administration is the case study. Consider the impactful lies told by the politicians, that was dutifully echoed by the media. And on the rare occasion where the media stepped outside the liberal cult and asked valid questions, they were admonished by the politicians for it, and then the media got right back in line. The lying over the last year alone......YOU should be looking at it and the results derived from those lies in this past election and be VERY suspicious. Stop accepting their lies.....its time.

What no one us (yet) talking about is just how it arises that people are willing to allow their ideological opponents to face harm in dire circumstances. It goes against our nature as humans to actively allow harm to our neighbors. No one is yet talking about how the active demonization and dehumanization of people based on political alignment might result in people being treated like this. Why wouldn't this person actively avoid helping those who she has been told are fascists and racists....and misogynists and any variety of label? POLITICIANS divide us to secure power MEDIA divides us to secure viewers. Stop believing anything these people say, ALWAYS start from a place where you assume what they say is a lie until proven otherwise.

I do, I know you would absolutely turn that around. And I also know that eventually, your morals will temporarily align with mine when it arises that your ideology happens to allow it. I will remain philosophically honest throughout regardless of media lies.....since after all.....I have been calling the media liars for years.....have you?

I am certain that the media is aware of the Gelman-Mann effect. I am equally certain they used their platforms to lie relentlessly in the belief that people will simply fall for it.

Your point has merit. I do not specifically recall the members who lean more left joining in on our chorus of opposition to it all, but it could be true that some did. I think it more likely we would locate posts that would tend to suggest more support FOR the riots and such, than those which would echo the conservative views of them. That being said, this is an opportunity. If they are willing to tell the truth NOW about the elect activities and shenanigans......get it all out. If liberals want to start winning people back, the best way is to abandon all the lying and get it out now.

My action derives from a long standing norm here at FFT, we were doing this in the 90's....so if it arises that my action offends you, in part I want to say....waaaaaaa.... But then again, your point has merit....and I should highlight your hypocrisy in more effective ways.

It does seem to come up rather frequently. I think there is at least some justification. Right now we see Democrats and their media allies trying to have their come to jesus moment, and speaking truthfully about something for the first time in years..... maybe, its time to also admit their participation in and/or allowance for these riots which were pointless and based on exploiting peoples fears. I think a total capitulation for ALL the lies they have told would be a big win for the party.

I will work on that, there are probably other ways to demonstrate your hypocrisy

I cannot say. That is a little more tricky. I think the lessons learned from the last stint in office is that there is a distinction between dissention and mutiny. He really needs smart people with competing opinions around him, and I like his selection for chief of staff for this, but I want to wait and see the rest of the selections. Would I think that someone like Cheney or Kinzinger or the rest of your list would be helpful or useful. I think maybe not, you cannot put outright enemies in your bubble......but you still have to listen to what they have to say. Now, that being said....if he EVER.......starts talking about needing a black woman or some nonsense, as if skin color matters.....THAT will be a big focking problem.

I am not sure I believe that everything is happening because of the election outcome, some probably is, but I find it a bit of a leap that everyone suddenly wants peace just because Trump will take office next year.

Hey look, it works!

Yeah, you are, and you just confirmed it for all to see with this little game you tried with the riots. Not a big deal. I think you know very well you are not telling the truth, I do not believe you are so indoctrinated that you cannot see the truth.

You are a liar, bottom line. And that is fine, I presume that all people lie here and there. Though the lies you are telling yourself are yours, do not expect US to follow along with those lies.

I will do so, absolutely, and others did as well....they stepped away to join the "never trump" segment of the party. I found all of that just fine, dissention is exactly what is needed, the ability of these people to have dissenting voices is imperative. They are true patriots in that regard. So while it could be true that Republicans might eventually eat their own, of late the actual real eating is being done by Democrats..... I probably should not, but I relish in watching these people turn on each other. Vile creatures all of them, showing their true nature.....

And I concur with your assessment. It is not a tact I think I would take, but I see the reason for it. I think we need to be patient and let the kids lash out at each other for a while. It appears to be a mix of anger but also plenty of people attempting to protect their situation within the political machine. We may have hear them bicker for a few months before they can get down to self reflection That being said, I do not have alot of faith that liberals can self reflect unless their ideological masters dictate it to them,

Lie as you prefer. Part of this recent election shows me that people are done with the lies. Frame it, spin it, do what ever you need......people no longer are buying it....

Right. By all means, continue this fantasy that you are right, everyone else is wrong, and just stupid. Might feel good in the moment, some level of self assuage, but it will only ensure you grow no further and do not fix the things that delivered the resounding victories for the conservatives. This misplaced sense of self does not sway me at least, I will continue to honestly assess......and not pretend as you are inclined.

This is not a completely out of bound analysis. Though I might point out, this was not the take away you should be finding. Moreover, the insistence for so many leftists to assigned blame everywhere else but self, is not going to turn around the blight pervading liberalism which compelled so many to turn away.

To be clear......as has been demonstrated over and over.....you and yours are liars and we do not believe you. Lying about what happened with the riots is not going to work. Lie you yourself by all means, and be angry as you need at us for not believing your lies. Its time to grow up, and stop thinking you can manipulate everyone, you cant....the election just showed you that....

Those people extricated themselves from the Republican party, though some of them pretend to still be "in it". No sir, they established their opposition to the conservative ideals, some more than others and each in their own way. But now, today......liberals espousing simple truths they appear to have known all along.....and which they vilified people for saying when their access to power was on the line And then turning on each other to save their political situations.....I can think of fewer things that capture liberalism so succinctly

Lie....lie....and lie.... We know it, and we wont forget it.

Its frustrating in that Liberals self perception is that they are the "smart ones" and everyone else is just too stupid to understand their more advanced understanding.....just like Maoists did....just like Pol Pot did..... They will not accept that anything they think or believe could ever be wrong So when they get the chance to implement, like little toddlers they do the most idiotic and harmful things imaginable.... People get hurt and eventually they have to stop, as they cause so much harm even they have to just end it...... but in order for them to learn, and move past simple knowledge and into wisdom.....they have to harm alot of people.....and you what, fock them all.....

Yes you did, and dont think for a minute that reasoned people do not know and understand how Democrats were part of it, allowed it, exploited it..... Now, if you want to lie to yourself by all means do so, but "I" will call bullsh!t on your lies every single time.....just as I have for the last year when you all continued to lie about the economy and the border.....how did that work out by the way? Yeah, the people called you and yours out on all your lies.....so by all means, keep lying....people are done with you all