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At least Ryan Leaf made an effort.

The punt muffer loses. The new rule specifically states "A punt or field goal that crosses the line of scrimmage and is muffed by the receiving team is considered to be an opportunity to possess for the receiving team". They blew their opportunity, so they don't deserve another possession.

1. Team A wins the moment Team B's possession ends. 2. Team A wins because Team B still got the "opportunity to possess the ball" (even though they screwed it up). The most interesting thing to me is: what happens when a team scores a safety? Is the game over automatically? The rules are not clear on that.

Not in my league....why would any league follow that rule? It's the same logic for giving Meachem's TD to the D/ST: Team A was technically on defense at the time that the pick-6 was scored; therefore, you should penalize Team A's D/ST. edit: I don't agree with this logic at all, by the way. But if you're going to claim that Meachem's TD goes to the D/ST, then you must agree that an interception TD against New Orleans' offense should be counted against New Orleans' D/ST.

His name sounds like something out of a cartoon or Star Trek.

Are both teams in the same division? If so, it would make sense to pick Team A. If not, you should skip Division Record and go straight to Total Points. But if you play in a Yahoo free league, you're probably screwed.

So you reward the guy who grabbed a 3rd QB instead of handcuffing his RB?

My main league used to do this: 1st tiebreaker = total offensive touchdowns 2nd tiebreaker = all total points scored (including field goals, etc.) 3rd tiebreaker = decimal scoring But now we just go straight to decimal scoring.

Guy at work is an idiot. Team C might have crushed Team A if they actually played each other. But since you'll never know, you can't assume that Team A is the better team. What if Team A lost to some other team that got crushed by Team C?

First off, if you use Division Record to break a tie between teams in different divisions, then you should be fired as Commish. That said, here's how I would break it down: METHOD #1 (if you use Division Record for teams in different divisions) 1. head-to-head does not apply (not all teams played each other) 2. Teams A & B are eliminated by virtue of lesser division records 3. Team C wins METHOD #2 (if you DON'T use Division Record for teams in different divisions) 1. head-to-head does not apply (not all teams played each other) 2. division record does not apply (since teams are in different divisions) 3. Teams A & B are eliminated by virtue of lesser total points 4. Team C wins

He scored a "return TD". He did not score a "rushing TD" or a "receiving TD".

He "returned" it. It's neither a rushing TD nor a receiving TD. He gets zero rushing yards and zero receiving yards.

It sounds illogical, but the bolded part is exactly how the NFL works. The Washington Defense was temporarily on offense, and Meachem was temporarily on defense. Now, if you want to get into a discussion on why the NFL credits those touchdowns to the Defense (even though Rule 36 clearly states that they were on offense at the time), that's another matter entirely.

Therefore, New Orleans became the offense; therefore, Meachem scored a TD on offense; therefore, the New Orleans D/ST doesn't get the points. Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbup:

Here's why you can't really compare this to a Special Teams Play: - the NFL calculates Special Teams stats based solely on whether a ball has been kicked. - the NFL calculates Defensive stats based mostly on which team was on Defense at the start of the play. So, for example, the NFL credits Meachem's forced fumble to the defense; but his fumble recovery is NOT credited to the defense, and his touchdown is also NOT credited to the defense. From the NFL's point of view, Meachem was indeed on defense at the point of the interception; but once he recovered the fumble, he was no longer on defense.

Just curious: why do you place so much value on the 1st change of possession, yet completely ignore the 2nd change of possession? That seems arbitrary to me. Further, it's a direct contradiction of the official NFL rulebook, which specifically states that Team A and Team B change back to their original designations when there is a 2nd turnover. Your position is not like the NFL's at all.

This is a different argument altogether, since the NFL has a very clear rule about what defines a Special Teams play (i.e., the ball MUST be kicked), whereas the definitions of "offense" and "defense" are much more murkier.

But notice how Meachem is not listed under "Defense" on the lower left? If the NFL considered it to be a defensive TD, wouldn't he get credit for the FF there? Also, the official NFL Gamebook lists it as an Offensive TD (scroll down to the last page).

I think you're incorrect here. The NFL box score does not list it as a "defensive fumble recovery". It's technically listed as a "Misc Fumble Recovery". Furthermore, the NFL officially considers the TD to be an "offensive touchdown".

James Thrash cut by Washington, may retire

Think of it this way -- there are only about 10 black QBs in the entire NFL, yet 2 of them are in the top-15. Meanwhile, there are over 70 white QBs in the NFL, and 13 of them are in the top-15. So maybe King is saying that black QBs are smarter than white QBs?

Sports Guy Bill Simmons nailed it on his website:

Is there a way to plug in our MyFantasyLeague stats, as you can on the player rankings page?

No way I'd trade Gates for him, especially if I already had Tiki and Williams.