Jesus Christ

bump - going to same game ! No Cincy fans here? NONE??? Seems like they exist as much as I do !

Draft isn't until 3rd week of August but outside of a off season injury do I even need to debate Foster at 1 or is it a done deal? Is my prep already done, relax on the 1st pick and start focusing on my picks after? Anyone not going Foster? Why? Negatives I see: - Ben Tate (steal carries) - replaced two OL - AJ injury prone (focus on run) and no other true WR threat - Schaub coming back from injury - can he do it 3 years in a row?

will win not only next year's Super Bowl but the following one as well! That's right back to back! How can that be when people think: "their D is awful" "Brady has lost his big game calmness" "Belichick has lost it" A lot of people don't think of it this way but the Patriots have quietly been in quasi rebuilding mode the last two years. Cut a lot of veterans, Revamped the D, New scheme on D. Different strategy on Offense with the TE's and while doing this they have gone 27-5 with a SuperBowl appearance. This team is young overall. Not too many guys over 30. I don't think Brady does it alone, I think he still is elite but he'll need help but help will come this off season. So again, for your next two Super Bowl Champions look no further then your New England Patriots.

Have to like what the Pats did in FA and in the draft - just saying. We'll see you in February after they win it all

Thought I was only one to notice this. They said it on NBC as well. I think it's actually 8 for 163.

What a QB! What a leader!

The one time Starks has a chance for a 1 yard plunge they line Kuhn behind Raji and give it to Raji. Come on Starks get me one.Need some help with Foster on a bye.

Ochocinco finally gets in the endzone this weekend.....TWICE! 6 Catches, 80+ yards and 2, count'em, TWO Touchdown's !!!!!!!!!

Couldn't agree more. It is so frustrating being a fan of a team who competes every year! Can you believe they don't win it all the time? I mean WTF? SO FRUSTRATING! note: Joe Montana and the 49ers lost 3 straight playoff games. does anyone know how tough it is to win a SB? Do you think it just happens? Consider yourself lucky to have a team that consistently contends. Amazing that it's a knock that the Pats have lost it because they haven't won it since January of 2005. Do you know how many teams haven't won since then? 26 teams! So frustrating! Just give it up Belichick

This says a lot about what teams are thinking about Randy Moss? Burress, a 34 year old guy who hasn't played in two years, hasn't practiced being signed before a guy who has played (albeit like crap last year) and been active. I think Moss still has value, more then Burress, whoever signs moss will get more production out him then the Jets out of Plax. It's a JC guarantee!

Anyone else feel as the summer has gone that Foster that has more of a chance of being the consensus #1 pick? The uncertainty of ADP and CJ QB's has scared me off of either.

I don't think Elway ever had more then 26 TD's in year. Montana never more then 28. Pretty crazy what the passing game has become since they retired. What do you think Brees, Brady or Manning do if the rules aren't as swayed towards the passing game like they are now. I think they are all still wildly successful he numbers would just be down rather then 30 Td's they are putting up 26. INTs go up to if DB's are able to play a tighter game. When all is said and done I think your Top 4 all time are 1A & 1B Brady and Manning. Top Dog will be decided in the next 5 years. 2. Montana 3. Elway As fan's you have to love watching the GOAT get decided these next 5 years. If the Pats and Brady can pull off another SB, maybe even 2. It has to be Brady especially now that he has begun to put up huge numbers and acquired some MVP's. But if Manning can 2 even just 1 more ring with his all-time blowing every record away stats. It's gotta be him. - I really hope these two sustain this level of play for the next 3 to 5 years. it wll be fun to watch. Worse scenario is a injury or two decide this.

I want him, if he's healthy I think he ends as #1. Agree/Disagree?

The Patriots have played 68 games since that fateful day in the old Meadowkands when the NFL confiscated video of the patriots taping signals of the opposing team. 3 teams have been crowned champion since, a 4th in less the two weeks. What are your thoughts on spygate today?Have your thoughts changed any?

Including playoffs: Pats record pre-spygate 87-39 (69 win %). Post-spygate 53-16 (76%).... Though: Pre - 3 Super Bowls 12-2 playoff record Post- 0 Super Bowls 2-3 playoff record

Patriots: 31 Falcons: 28

No, Manning, Brady, the great one's get rid of the ball fast, they slide step, make protection calls, know defense before snap, eliminate certain receivers before the snap. it's what makes them great. Other QB's have stronger arms, better feet but none work like these guys do. Biggest difference in Vick this year is he has started to do some of these things.

Couldn't agree more. Vick is must see TV but he is not the most valuable player in football.

For your consideration:

Even in loss, you watch ....Favre will be a story these next two weeks and it sucks.

Patriots . While they are playing poorly with the talent and coaching they have, they can can right that ship quickly. I don't think any team will want to face them in the playoffs.

Prediction: Welker, 12 catches 120 yards no TD's. rain will matter none in regards to welker

I mean being ranked 3rd behind Brady and Brees is no lack of respect but I have seen some rankings (even here:Geek) where he's been as low as 6! Six??? I almost want to rank him #1 due to consistency. You can write in stone 28+ Td's and 4000+ yards. While I don't think you can guarantee that with many others, heck even Brady and Brees, you don't know. I think Brady and Brees have a better chance to put up better numbers even have a higher overall ceiling but I think they also have a chance of falling below 28 & 4000 more then Manning would. Last year he had 27/4000, won the MVP coming into a year he hadn't played a snap in preseason. His OL was often injured and his receiving core was held hostage by the on again off again Marvin Harrison injuries. I see him easily topping 30 TD's this year.

When your doing your scouting/pre-draft work while watching pre-season game how much importance do you put on it? Are you just looking at the players that place vs the first teams? Do you watch all 4 qtrs. hoping to gleam something out of the 6th round rookie who's playing against the 3rd sometime 4th string? We know teams game plans etc. are very vanilla but do you try to see what players fit in said teams system? Or do you not pay attention at all to preseason other then injuries.

Youkilis is the ######? The pitcher runs away like a little girl. Then when he gets there, Youkilis' momentum is what leads him to falling, not any strength of Porcello. The helmet toss was a bit odd, but I think he does it because the pitcher is running away.