WhiteWonder

not really. Need to see where he goes first. Kincaid was a popular target last year but was just so-so in fantasy because Knox was still around. If he ends up in a situation like LaPorta, with a good QB, in a good offense and no other TE.... that's the recipe a rookie TE needs, otherwise could be another Pitts situation. Plus Bowers isn't much of a blocker at all. We've seen those guys take a bit more time to become something.

1. Sam LaPorta 2. Travis Kelce 3. David Njoku 4. Cole Kmet 5. Mark Andrews

17.01- RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Ty France, 1B, SEA 17.02 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Daulton Varsho, OF, TOR 17.03 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Nick Pivetta, P, BOS 17.04 - dcb291 (Mets) - Jeff McNeil, 2B, NYM 17.05 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Ryan Pepiot, P, TB 17.06 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Leody Taveras, OF, TEX 17.07 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Lane Thomas, OF, WSH 17.08 - Mookz (Orioles) - Ryan Mountcastle, 1B, BAL 17.09 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Reese Olsen, P, DET 17.10 - cmh6476 (Royals) - James McArthur, P, KC 17.11 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Tyler Anderson, P, LAA 17.12 - Burt (Braves) - Max Fried, P, ATL 18.01 - Burt (Braves) - Sean Murphy, C, ATL 18.02 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Carlos Estevez, P, LAA 18.03 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Scott Barlow, P, CLE 18.04 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Alex Lange, P, DET 18.05 - Mookz (Orioles) - Kyle Bradish, P, BAL 18.06 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Brendon Donavan, 2B, STL 18.07 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Jon Gray, P, TEX 18.08 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Aaron Civale, P, TB 18.09 - dcb291 (Mets) - Paul Sewald, P, ARI 18.10 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Yoan Moncada, 3B, CHW 18.11 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Lourdes Gurriel Jr., OF, ARI 18.12 - RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Andres Munoz, P, SEA

Gooch is a tool. Pretty sure there was a reason he’s not on DJs LIV team anymore. I think most of them blame the PGA/R&A because of the bans. Without the bans, they would be able to play in events that do currently award OWGR points. Again, they absolutely knew what they signed up for. I don’t agree with the bans, I think it’s childish and reactionary, but these guys were well aware they would be banned.

No. The PGA tour has no say over the masters, or the majors. Even the pga of America (pga championship) is not the same as the pga tour. They have no say in world ranking points being distributed (I’m sure they have a great deal of influence) but they did lobby to have LIV players banned from all the majors, iirc. That was kind of my point. “Feelers”. I do agree that those who chose to sign with LIV should not be complaining. But they also have every right to lobby themselves for world ranking points. Most other golf tours get them. It’s a world ranking system.

#catlivesmatter

So the main difference with your football example is that the state makes the rules and is the main governing body…. The PGA doesn’t make the rules when it comes to ability to play in the majors or in determining who can earn world rankings points. what I’ve talked about from the very beginning is the PGA being hypocritical because they never banned golfers from competing in events on other tours before. They never lobbied the majors to exclude golfers who mainly play on other tours etc because the PGA was the one poaching the talent. The biggest euro stars would eventually move to the US and play a full PGA schedule, for example. They are doing it with LIV because it’s the first time they feel threatened (even though LIV has never said their golfers can’t play in other events). So the banning of players was pretty big feelers. Sure there are some guys who would never play any PGA events but there are also plenty who would. They watered down a lot of their own events out of spite. A lot of people cling to “these guys can’t have their cake and eat it too” type argument but, why not? Just because another golf league formed and their business model includes contracting talent? Someone like Rory for example was always able to compete for the fedex cup AND the race to Dubai

19.01- RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - David Bednar, P, PIT 19.02 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Alejandro Kirk, C, TOR 19.03 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Tanner Houck, P, BOS 19.04 - dcb291 (Mets) - Brandon Nimmo, OF, NYM 19.05 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Jose Alvarado, P, PHI 19.06 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Mitch Garver, C, TEX 19.07 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Tommy Edman, SS, STL 19.08 - Mookz (Orioles) - Grayson Rodriguez, P, BAL 19.09 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Kerry Carpenter, OF, DET 19.10 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Brady Singer, P, KC 19.11 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Patrick Sandoval, P, LAA 19.12 - Burt (Braves) - Orlando Arcia, SS, ATL 20.01 - Burt (Braves) - Spencer Strider, P, ATL 20.02 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Reid Detmers, P, LAA 20.03 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Michael Massey, 2B, KC 20.04 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Jeimer Candelario, 3B, CIN 20.05 - Mookz (Orioles) - Tanner Scott, P, MIA 20.06 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Sonny Gray, P, STL 20.07 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Jose LeClerc, P, TEX 20.08 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Taj Bradley, P, TB 20.09 - dcb291 (Mets) - Starling Marte, OF, NYM 20.10 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Jarren Duran, OF, BOS 20.11 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Danny Jansen, C, TOR 20.12 - RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Luis Campusano, C, SD

ouch. that's tough to recover from.

21.01- RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Josh Hader, P, HOU 21.02 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Tim Mayza, P, TOR 21.03 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Rafael Devers, 3B, BOS 21.04 - dcb291 (Mets) - Francisco Alvarez, C, NYM 21.05 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Brandon Lowe, 2B, TB 21.06 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Jonah Heim, C, TEX 21.07 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Lars Nootbar, OF, STL 21.08 - Mookz (Orioles) - Christian Walker, 1B, ARI 21.09 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Eugenio Suarez, 3B, ARI 21.10 - cmh6476 (Royals) - MJ Melendez, OF, KC 21.11 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Logan O'Hoppe, C, LAA 21.12 - Burt (Braves) - Austin Riley, 3B, ATL 22.01 - Burt (Braves) - Ozzie Albies, 2B, ATL 22.02 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Zach Neto, SS, LAA 22.03 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Nelson Velaquez, OF, KC 22.04 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Riley Greene, OF, DET 22.05 - Mookz (Orioles) - Anthony Santander, OF, BAL 22.06 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Nolan Gorman, 2B, STL 22.07 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Wyatt Langford, OF, TEX 22.08 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Willy Adames, SS, MIL 22.09 - dcb291 (Mets) - Andres Gimenez, 2B, CLE 22.10 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Kutter Crawford, P, BOS 22.11 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Jordan Romano, P, TOR 22.12 - RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - CJ Abrams, SS, WSH?

23.01- RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Joe Musgrove, P, SD 23.02 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Teoscar Hernandez, OF, LAD 23.03 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Tristan Casas, 1B, BOS 23.04 - dcb291 (Mets) - Edwin Diaz, P, NYM 23.05 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Yandy Diaz, 1B, TB 23.06 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Evan Carter, OF, TEX 23.07 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Willson Contreras, C, STL 23.08 - Mookz (Orioles) - Gunnar Henderson, 3B, BAL 23.09 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Kenta Maeda, P, DET 23.10 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Maikel Garcia, 3B, KC 23.11 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Taylor Ward, OF, LAA 23.12 - Burt (Braves) - Jarred Kelenic, OF, ATL 24.01 - Burt (Braves) - Matt Olson, 1B, ATL 24.02 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Brandon Marsh, OF, LAA 24.03 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Bobby Witt Jr., SS, KC 24.04 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Tarik Skubal, P, DET 24.05 - Mookz (Orioles) - Cedric Mullins, OF, BAL 24.06 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Jordan Walker, OF, STL 24.07 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Josh Jung, 3B, TEX 24.08 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Josh Lowe, OF, TB 24.09 - dcb291 (Mets) - Zach Wheeler, P, PHI 24.10 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Bryan Bello, P, BOS 24.11 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - George Springer, OF, TOR 24.12 - RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Ha Seong Kim, SS, SD

25.01- RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Juan Soto, OF, NYY 25.02 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Bo Bichette, SS, TOR 25.03 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Mookie Betts, OF, LAD 25.04 - dcb291 (Mets) - Pete Alonso, 1B, NYM 25.05 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Zach Eflin, P, TB 25.06 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Corey Seager, SS, TEX 25.07 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Nolan Arenado, 3B, STL 25.08 - Mookz (Orioles) - Adley Rutschman, C, BAL 25.09 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Nick Castellanos, OF, PHI 25.10 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Salvador Perez, C, KC 25.11 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Mike Trout, OF, LAA 25.12 - Burt (Braves) - Ronald Acuna Jr, OF, ATL 26.01 - Burt (Braves) - Michael Harris, OF, ATL 26.02 - BlackClouds (Angels) - Shohei Ohtani, DH, LAD 26.03 - cmh6476 (Royals) - Vinnie Pasquantino, 1B, KC 26.04 - ZeroTolerence (Tigers) - Spencer Torkelson, 1B, DET 26.05 - Mookz (Orioles) - Corbin Burnes, P, BAL 26.06 - lambert58 (Cardinals) - Paul Goldschmidt, 1B, STL 26.07 - Jim Mora (Rangers) - Emmanuel Clase, P, CLE 26.08 - WhiteWonder (Rays) - Tyler Glasnow, P, LAD 26.09 - dcb291 (Mets) - Francisco Lindor, SS, NYM 26.10 - bbascom (Red Sox) - Wyler Abreu, OF, BOS 26.11 - Guardbum (Blue Jays) - Vladamir Guerrero Jr, 1B, TOR 26.12 - RaiderHaters Revenge (Padres) - Fernando Tatis Jr, OF, SD

again, agreed. Gooch is an example of someone who greatly benefitted from going to LIV where he had less overall competition. He's not really the barometer these days now that LIV has an actual cast of premier golfers on their roster.

I don't agree with Gooch crying. He is a fringe guy at best. His narrative does hold some merit, it just loses that merit because it's coming from him. You have to understand I dont have a horse in the LIV vs PGA thing. I'm just not going to pretend the landscape of current golf is not driven by LIV vs PGA. It 100% is. And my personal feeling is that the PGA dropped the ball and allowed this all to get to the point that it's at. I agree with you when it comes to saying the LIV guys made their choice. What I sort of disagree about is the notion that they can't comment, or lobby for something that almost every other golf tour in the world has access to. world ranking points and a clear path to play in the biggest events in the sport. If not for the spite of the PGA/ R&A etc, those paths would be open. The PGA is acting based on hurt feels. They would never try to block any other golf tour or league from accumulating OWGR points. Just LIV because it's the first thing that has come along to threaten their monopoly on the sport.

Short sighted and uninformed post. LIV golf in general is a smaller league by design. They are or have been interested in soccer style relegation, I think. You'll never see 100+ golfers in an event like you do on the PGA. 5 stars such as Rahm, Cam Smith, DJ, Brooks, Bryson etc is the equivalent of 10-15 PGA stars. Plus, without OWGR points, it's hard for them to maintain top 30 status without winning a major now.

exactly like I planned, 2nd pick but really 1st pick since it's Ed picking before me

I ended up purchasing 1 BTC and 4.5 ETH. I failed to buy into CIFR even though I told myself to pull the trigger if it fell below 2.50, which I believe it did around the time we were speaking and it promptly ran up over 4.00 which was my prediction (since it seems to be trading in that pattern), oh well. Also did not get into SOL because I simply didn't feel like going back into my coinbase account. My purchases were all on RH. Thanks again for the discussion

boomer esiason

I still know how to make him quit leagues, but he's come a long way since then

all this early picking made me jealous

1.05 - Randy Arozarena, OF, TB

I never even knew of 29G posting at the geek club, but then again for many years I was a main bored poster only. I think 2022, we all just assumed she no showed but I am almost certain someone at the geek club posted last year about her passing. I don't even think it was it's own topic, I think it was part of another.

We had 12 last season but I think 14 before that. When Ted passed, I feel like Posty came back to give us an even 14 and then when 29G passed, Posty didn't need to return for us to at least have an even 12. edit: 12 teams since 2022.

looking at yahoo history, I don't see a 2011 season. It looks like 2012 was my first year (for some reason I chose the Marlins even though the Rays were available) I didn't even remember there being 16 teams back then. I switched to Tampa in 2013 and then in 2014 the league was down to 14 teams.

my only memory of edjr was that he was running the Giants and then quit after the initial draft when the supplemental balls didn't go his way. pretty typical behavior for him even though we have become internet friendly over the years. 29G apparently was a she who came over to the forum with a wave of women from some other internet message board about curly women's hair. I had no clue. We used to private message back and forth a lot this time of year as I always suspected they needed a bit of guidance with this league. Pretty sure they were here before me though. I was told they also passed a few years ago.