WhiteWonder

long time FFT members know the back story behind my name. As a 13 year old kid I thought 'The White Wonder' was a fun nickname for Wayne Chrebet. It was racial but not meant to be 'racist'. Then again, those were not the woke times. If I could edit it to just be Wonder, I would.

I was born and raised here. I am of "immigrant stock" in the sense that everyone is. We are not talking about legal immigration here. White privilege? gtfo with that tired nonsense. The election worker who checked me in was black. There were black and hispanic people in the school gymnasium where we were voting and none of them were showing any forms of identification. My friend who lives in Carteret and is black was also not asked for her ID (HAH!) . Nor my friends/family in Clark, Red Bank, Roselle etc...

well, putting a round # on it is always silly as it depends on your league and your draft. Burrow was the 8th-9th QB off the board in many of my leagues. He was a target of mine if he fell to a certain point. In one league where he was the 8th QB off the board, he narrowly missed me in round 6, where I likely would have picked him. Daniels was 11th-13th roughly. Purdy was in the 11-15 range. Cousins and Goff were probably double digit round guys drafted as backups. Mayfield was undrafted in some. It's all relative and I don't see any reason why "waiting" at QB this year was any different than prior years.

Why is that? Burrow was one of the later QB1's drafted, Daniels, Purdy, Mayfield... Cousins and Goff have been good for anyone who really decided to go "no QB" strategy. Bo Nix now has more FPPG than Mahomes. Seems like your typical year. A few highly drafted busts (Mahomes, Stroud relatively speaking) and a few late gems.

I would hope they wouldn't be stupid enough to not make sure they find enough votes to close that gap to a reasonable number .

If you agree on the way they entered then you agree that shouldn't be here. Plain and simple. To put it in kids terms for you, If you snuck into a movie theater, would you feel like the employees of that theater should not kick you out because you're already here, there was an open seat (job), and you're not making any noise or causing a disturbance (violence)? Or should you be forced to leave? Look, perhaps the key word here is MASS. If deportations are done in MASS, the potential economic impact will be felt much more so than if we begin a slower, more calculated deportation process. I will agree with that. The Biden Admin caused this problem and we need to start handling it hopefully in a way that is least disrupting to our citizens. The rest of your statement, that there is no benefit at all to removing illegal immigrants from the country just gets a huge eye roll from me. Unless you meant no benefit to quick mass deportation. I'm sorry but it's very hard to argue that it's a positive thing for people to sneak into another country and remain there illegally.

Illegal immigration has always existed and it will always exist. You’ll never be able to stop it 100%. I think the point here is to curb and eliminate the mass influx. there are more issues and benefits than the ones we’ve been discussing around low level jobs. something tells me the agriculture industry will still find a way to get their cheap labor. It’s hard to argue that mass illegal immigrants entering the country is a good thing. It seems like many of you are okay with securing the borders but seem to be taking a stance of “oh well, my administration up and they are here now so we should support them”.

If they make more than $600 “independent contractor” work for various businesses then they should be. This is of course a fairytale land where an illegal immigrant would ever be filing a tax return but by all means continue being part of the problem “Mr American” hahaha

I see. And as “independent contractors” are you reporting their payments on form 1099 NEC as non employee compensation? Are they filing taxes and filling out schedule C 1040 as independent contractors?

Count me as someone who doesn’t think we should be allowing people in the country illegally just because they provide cheap labor (are being taken advantage of) and someone willing to pay a bit more as a result. that’s just me because I’m an American.

You know a lot of illegal immigrants paying taxes, do you?

So on this topic I would counter with a few points. 1. there is indeed housing in urban areas that are going to illegals and forcing lower income families to settle for housing that is a step up and not fully affordable for them. Those families would take the cheapest options if they were available. This isn’t speculation, I live fairly close to Newark and I know people in this situation. Independent landlords are willing to rent to illegals because they can basically act as slum lords because who is going to complain? 2. these rise in costs you guys seem so worried about because of the lack of cheap illegal labor can potentially be offset (and to a larger degree) if we can lower to cost of materials. It’s a big if, but my point is those are actually the bigger issues impacting to cost of goods and services. It’s the cost of eggs and bread and flour etc at the restaurant more so than having to pay a dish washer minimum wage. And I believe American citizens would be much more tolerant of some rise in the cost of their meals or new roofs if it means more jobs for citizens than they currently are with the rise in the costs because we get spanked on trade deals

1. In order to fight inflation and the cost of things, I happen to believe we will need to deal with a temporary rise. Not like the rise at the start of Bidens admin because that was not a "self imposed" rise. It was a rise he did little to fix other than sit back and let the feds raise interest rates. It's a little different when the rise is a means to an end, so to speak. Also, we are talking more about small businesses who have more of these illegals working for them. The mom and pop italian restaurant in your neighborhood and I doubt you would see a 40% increase passed along to the consumer, as in your chilis example. 2. Think it or don't think it but dining out at restaurants is considered a sign of disposable income. The family who eats out at the fancy italian restaurant in town 3 night a week is probably viewed as more well off. We can remove the terms rich and poor if it makes you feel better. 3. Lower class citizens don't want those jobs because they currently don't pay enough. Theres really no good argument for continuing to employee people who are in this country illegally, yet that seems to be what some of you are doing. Perhaps some changes also need to be made to the benefits system, but something tells me liberals won't like that either. just to use an example of my own. I have a friend who dates an illegal brazillian woman. She was working as a hair stylist in a heavily hispanic and black area. If that salon was not able to hire her for less money and keep her off the books (and basically not allow her to keep as much of her tips) you don't think there is not a young black or hispanic woman who is a citizen who would gladly fill that role? People assume all of these jobs being filled by illegals are toilet and dish washers

Not exactly. I assume youre saying it could not be good for the people using those services because prices may go up? If the demand goes down because of that, the businesses will need to adjust lower to get business back in the door. It won't always result in layoffs, etc.

doesn't matter. The sad truth is that as much as we can crack down on border control issues, we may be able to make the overall issue better but guys like your friend will always find a way to get some illegal immigrants working for them. It's never going to completely stop. The point is, if some of these businesses are forced to hire a few more citizens for these low end jobs, they will have to pay them more and have them on the books. Yes, the price of a meal at that restaurant may go up a bit as the costs are passed along to the consumer (although we are still talking minimum wage jobs here) but... 1. the people dining out at these restaurants should be willing to spend just a little more, knowing that more jobs are being opened up for legal citizens 2. some of the people dining out would be considered the "rich people" that democrats want to pay up anyway. 3. the "lower class" citizens who would take these jobs are now in better positions financially and the less reliant some people become on government assistance, the better for our economy.

and why do you think they don't want to do those jobs? I am curious because I have had this debate with a co worker and she says things like "legals don't want to wash dishes or clean toilets for such little money." I then respond by reminding her that these jobs are only paying so little because the illegals taking them are willing to do them for next to nothing (because its still an improvement for them) and the business doesn't put them on the payroll. If there were not illegal immigrants to take those jobs, they would pay more by default and those who are here legally would be much more interested in doing them. there is a trickle up effect.

so it's not morally wrong, or evil in fact that the restaurant in your neighborhood has a kitchen full of illegal immigrants that they pay very low, under the table wages because they know the immigrants wont complain ... since they are not supposed to be here ... rather than hiring lesser educated american citizens, who might need those jobs at minimum wage? bizarre

Interesting that you would rather keep illegal immigrants here working low paying jobs as companies can pay them next to nothing and keep them off the books because you fear it will raise inflation… but you don’t stop to think that these same companies, for example restaurants, landscapers, construction companies… who will be forced to hire more citizens at higher wages will lead to lower class families being better positioned to afford the costs of living during what would most likely be a temporary inflation rise.

Why would you not want neighbors to report if they know illegal immigrants are renting next door or in their neighborhood? why would you not want businesses to have to report known illegal employees?

Lot of people on here choosing “it’s raining men”

I had added some stuff to my post you quoted, obviously after you had started your reply. Interested in your thoughts on that. For mail in ballots, I am fine with them being a thing. Yes, I voted this way in 2020. I would say that perhaps there need to be a few more measures in place. 1. I can't remember back to 2020 but was there enough personal info pre-filled on the ballot? 2. potential water seal, hologram, etc like we have on currency... to indicate this is a real ballot and make it harder to forge? 3. to combat the idea of ballot dumping, destroying etc.. maybe these drop box locations should need to be only in locations where election workers can be present? Basically like dropping off your ballot at a regular voting location but not having to wait on line to check in, get your ballot, go into the booth, etc. You walk inside the building, hand your sealed ballot to an election worker who checks you off and places your ballot in the box. If you think about it, that's not much different than the current drop box locations. The only extra step is you need to speak to someone when you hand it in. .... and I would guess they just wouldn't be able to have AS many drop locations.

Well, obviously it did not happen to me. If it did, I would have asked what can I do? and then followed those steps. But let's step back for a second... why should anyone even have to take those steps? Why not just ask for at least 1 form of ID, if not multiple? Christ, you used to have to show a bajillion things at the DMV to renew your DL. In this case we are talking about our country's elections, which everyone wants or should want to be as secure as humanly possible. you really think people want to have to fill out a provisional ballot and file a police report on the day of the election? When would their real vote be counted? when would their fake vote be removed? You're potentially causing a much bigger delay and more issues just because you want to make it as easy and quick as possible for people to vote in order to entice certain demographics to get out to the polls. When did NJ, or part of NJ (or possibly other states as well?) stop requiring ID to vote? Who pushed for this?

I live in a NJ suburb not too far outside Newark. Large town, mostly liberal. I have friends who live in completely different counties and they also did not have to show any ID. 2016 I chose not to vote, 2020 I did a mail in ballot since they were all sent out due to covid. I was genuinely shocked that I was not asked for a form of ID. I had my DL ready to present. I think this is a major issue. The part of your post that I bolded is an issue. If someone decides to use my name and address to early vote as me, for their preferred candidate, then what happens when I show up to vote on election day? I could not make it to early voting. I voted around 5pm on the 5th. I'll give you a side story for this. My friend lives a town over from me. About 2 weeks before the election, he was in our group chat telling us that two illegal immigrants were going through his recycling. He went outside to tell them to leave and they responded "no english" and kept going through his stuff right in front of him. So he got up in their face and shooed them away and called the cops. They left but they took boxes with he and his wifes name and address on them. .... my initial reaction was to tell him that before illegal immigration was a hot button issue, people were worried about other people going through their trash or recycling because of simple identity theft and maybe you shouldn't put out cardboard boxes with the labels still on them ..... when I had my voting experience, I couldn't help but think back to that and realize that, at least in my area of NJ, anyone who can match up your name and address can vote as you. So hypothetically, those guys going through his recycling could have gone to early voting and used his info to vote Harris (who would be better for them, as illegals). Of course I am not saying that this was their intention. I am simply pointing out how easy it would be to do. They already flooded Edison, NJ with immigrants and not long after there was a rash of break ins in neighboring towns. I wouldn't put it past anyone to be coaching them on how to vote as someone else.