Uh-huh

At this rate Obama only has 7 years, 5 months, 21 and days to go to reach George W. Bush futility levels. Imagine that.

In a situation like yours, if you can get within 20% of your previous pay I say take the job. Good luck, Uh-huh

Ok, I'll bite this stinky lame bait. The convolutions you people go through trying to attack Obama make you look like mutant pretzels.

Conservatives are greedy and selfish. Which is funny, because most conservatives think they aren't. Conservatives try to mask these ugly traits using platitudes such as "self-reliance", "I advanced by my own efforts", "charitable", "free market", "progressive taxation is un-American", "government is the source of all evil", "individualism", and the hallowed "FREEEEDOM!". What they really mean is, "MINE! MINE! MINE! I got/stole/bilked others out of MINE, and to hell with everyone else. Leave MINE alone and let me do WHATEVER I WANT!" Pretty simple, really. Most conservatives are adult children. On the other hand, liberals are for the most part well-meaning but sometimes clueless about how to go about accomplishing their main goal: improving the lot of human society. Bumbling meddlers.

:lol: Sure. Nice try.

Thoughts and prayers for your mom and you, Y.

Quality stuff in this thread.

Glock 19 or 26. The missus will be able to handle either one (especially the 26) with no problem (mine can). Teach her to double-tap. The 9mm doesn't speak with the same authority as a 12 gauge unless you get high powered loads or you hit a vital body part.

:whathesaid: You would think an NFL QB could pull better p..... than that...

... and have people posting about him even after he died, as well as 1.6 million people entering a lottery to attend his MEMORIAL SERVICE. Yep, you are right -- he was an entertainment stud.

How many of these dancers in the videos posted could sing, dance and sell 750 million records?

Have you ever heard that saying, "When trying to get out of a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging"? You need to stop digging, Strikey. I have a suggestion: go look at Articles 3, 4 and 5 of the Honduran Constitution. Especially Article 3: Please. Now you're throwing softballs. Zelaya's Vice President, Elvin Ernesto De Los Santos, resigned almost a year ago. The office of the VP was vacant. Which is why Micheletti assumed power, as he was next in line according to the Constitution (so at least the "golpistas" followed the Constitution to that extent). Number two fact: Micheletti is a member of the same party as Zelaya but they are political enemies even though members of the same party. Don't believe me -- look it up. Number three fact: The opposition (and that word doesn't only mean "members of the opposing party", btw) acted illegally according to their own Constitution. See Article 3 above. I reiterate -- both parties acted illegally. However, two wrongs do not make a right. Zelaya's opposition messed up by removing him using the military -- a coup d'etat. They should have initiated impeachment proceedings instead, and if Zelaya refused to appear THEN they could order him and arrest him if he did not appear to face trial. But they got impatient.

In turn, I am going to ask you one: did you read the several posts where I said Zelaya acted illegally? Let me ask another: how about the part where I said the Honduran constitution has a process called IMPEACHMENT to deal with Presidents who act illegally? Wow. Another one: if the President acts illegally, does that justify the opposition acting illegally also? Last one: did you know there's a debate tactic called "changing the subject"? Probably, given you are using it. You know what? You just want to regurgitate right-wing talking points and attack Obama. Have at it. I'm done with you.

This is so stupid it's laughable. You're in Recliner Pilot territory now.

Excuse me, but you are demonstrating you don't know what you are talking about, Rush Jr. Zelaya's opponents are trying to justify their action by saying Zelaya's intention was to set himself up as a permanent President. As you may or may not know, constitutions can be modified via amendments. Zelaya wanted to hold a referendum to ask the electorate whether they wanted to decide in the November elections to convoke a Constitutional Assembly for the purpose of proposing and debating amendments to their Constitution. Which means the electorate would have to say "Yes, we want to have another ballot box in November" before even thinking about having a Constitutional Assembly. Now, obviously one of the proposed amendments could have been to remove the President's single term limit and allow him/her to stand for re-election. But this would have to be debated and passed before it could become part of their law. What people don't seem to "get" is this would not have helped Zelaya get re-elected in the upcoming elections. Yes, he could stand for re-election in a FUTURE election. So? If the Hondurans like the guy so much, then let him be re-elected. Let's not get carried away here with right-wing propaganda. How about sticking to the FACTS?

Wrong on several levels: A coup is a coup no matter who orders it. Despite the arguments posed by right-wing conservatives both here and in Honduras, this was unquestionably a coup d'etat. It was illegal only after the Congress passed a law prohibiting it on the Tuesday before the referendum. See previous. According to their constitution, the President is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, so he was within his rights to fire the military commander. Link? By doing this the Supreme Court abrogated the Honduran Constitution. They ordered the military to do something which was against their Constitution, hence illegal. I would hope your wish never comes true, because that would be the end of our system of government. The military acted illegally, given the Honduran constitution. There is no provision in their Constitution for what happened. Zelaya also acted illegally. However, they have a process to remove him from office -- impeachment. They decided to ignore that process and remove him from office using force. That's called a coup, and that's why over 60 countries have condemned what happened.

Both sides acted illegally -- Zelaya violated law(s), and the opposition used the military to stage a coup d'etat. The whole Zelaya was making a power grab argument is specious. Zelaya couldn't have run for re-election in the upcoming elections even if he had held the referendum. A pox on both their houses.

I would substitute "demagoguery". Or maybe right-wing propaganda. Rush really has these folks under his thumb.

Nice find, thanks.

Finally! Now we'll really see some red fur fly!

I find BLS's position on this issue very lucid and reasonable. However, I also think a show of force can be very effective. By all means let the Air Force remind Kim Jong-Il who has the biggest toys.

Because it's entertaining?

Pheeeeewwwww!!!! Dear Lord, the Lemming needs an enema.