football_scooter 0 Posted July 6, 2006 Well, here goes nothing. I'll try to be brief as I still feel like sh!t. I don't hope to match the depth or flowery prose of solo, but I'll do my best with what I got in me. I don't really believe in top 12 lists, so I'll assign grades. 1.01 - Big Joc Strap QB - Kurt Warner/David Carr/Billy Volek RB - Larry Johnson/Chester Taylor/Deshaun/ Foster/Brandon Jacobs/Maurice Morris WR - Joey Galloway/T.J. Houshmandzadeh/Donte Stallworth/Drew Bennett/Brandon LLoyd TE - Randy McMichael/Jerramy Stevens K - D/ST - Not a bad team. Warner is going to be a stud - it's health you need to worry about, but I doubt you'll need Carr much. Volek is questionable to start beyond a few weeks, but crazier things have happened. Either way, his 3 weeks are over and Satan now has his eternal soul, so even if he plays he'll not match that production. ever. Larry Johnson - ok, no more needs saying there. The other RBs are, in my opinion, far better than some are giving him credit for. Then again, I am optimistic about Chester Taylor, as I'd made abundantly clear in that topic. They didn't give him a 5 mil signing bonus and pay him all that money to ride the pine, so all this Mewelde Moore talk is just silly. Taylor is this year's LJordan, and I'd bet my car on that statement. Solid RB2 who could border on RB1. Really kinda blows, because had that topic not been up at that time, I'm pretty sure CT would be on my roster right now. Anyway Foster was a dicey pick, and I think many would agree. Foster is the ultimate boom or bust, which is great for a RB3 - but you could have had that with Cedric Benson or Joseph Addai several rounds later. Boldin or Chambers would make your team look a lot stronger, because Galloway-TJHoush-Stallworth isn't going to strike fear into your opponents. I do think they'll get the job done week-to-week for you. And McMichael is a wild card, depending on who plays QB for the Fins. Overall a pretty solid effort. B (one Boldin away from an A-) 1.02 - howie929 QB - Drew Bledsoe/Brad Johnson RB - Shawn Alexander/Reggie Bush/Kevan Barlow/Greg Jones/T.J. Duckett WR - Marvin Harrison/Javon Walker/Joe Horn/Keyshawn Johnson/Marty Booker/Michael Jenkins TE - Jason Witten/Dallas Clark K - D/ST - Unlike some, I think the QB is your worst situation. Bledsoe might toss 27 TDs with TO-Glenn-Whitten, but his yards are going to be in the 2500 range. I don't see them in a lot of shootouts with a solid D, and Parcells does love to run the ball. RBs are also tricky - Alexander...like LJ, enough said there. But Bush was a big gaff, IMO. I guess you had to take him there to take him, but I guarentee he'd have fallen past me if he was still on the board. Not sure Solo woulda taken him on the next pick. Who knows what the other chuckleheads woulda done, but if he came back in the 4th, I still wouldn't touch him. It's a Saints thing, not a Bush thing. He's a wildcard for you for sure. They might just figure to get him as many touches as humanly possible to win anything, but you can bet defenses will key in on him. And pros are a lot tougher than anything the weak a$$ Pac 10 can throw at him. WRs start strong with Harrison, but I'm not fan of WRs playing in Denver's run-heavy offense and coming off ACL surgery. I do like the Horn and Keyshawn picks - especially in a PPR league. Jenkins could also surprise if Vick finds a way to get him the ball - he tried to hit him deep several times last year. Clark was a steal and one that irritated me greatly. I figured you would go another direction since you had whitten already. A top player at WR, RB and TE, and you could compete. I don't see this as a playoff team though. not enough depth to account for the "sh!t happens" factor and BYE weeks. C 1.03 - 20 Server Menace!!! QB - Tom Brady/Jake Plummer RB - LaDainian Tomlinson/Tatum Bell/Deuce McAllister/Mewelde Moore/Priest Holmes? WR - Randy Moss/Anquan Boldin/Lee Evans/Michael Clayton/Brandon Stokley TE - Heath Miller/Alex Smith/Jermaine Wiggins K - D/ST - I like this team. Brady, Tomlinson, RMoss, Boldin - those are names often associated with champion fantasy teams. Brady is steady 250/2 and while he'll occasionally hit 300+/3+, he rarely has a stinker. Moss is a question mark. Questions about the run heavy system Shell typically runs, questions about health, playing on grass, having a brainless moron capable of greatness or being the suck at QB...you add all that up and you get a HUGE question mark. Upside: 1600/17 downside: 900/7 - while the upside is there, it's a pretty huge risk, IMO - which is why I went with Chad there and let Randy slip one. Boldin is a gaff I blame Joc for. You never should have sniffed that and I cringed when I saw it. But it cost you, because your RB2 is a definate maybe. I think regardless of Dayne's presence, between the 20s it's going to be all Bell, all day. There WILL be some big games for him. Might be inconsistent unless Dayne eats himself out of a job. Evans is another guy I really wanted. Honestly thought he'd make it back to me. 3rd year WR...but in a potentially bad offense. TE is decent if unspectacular. any of those guys are capable of being top 10 which is all you need. I fear this team's upside, but question if enough "if's" will fire on all cylinders when you have them in the lineup to win you enough games. The core of this team is scary good though. A- 1.04 - The Unwashed Masses QB - Trent Green/Chris Simms RB - Clinton Portis/Willie Parker/DeAngelo Williams/ Mike Anderson/Verron Haynes/Michael Pittman WR - Chad Johnson/Andre Johnson/Jerry Porter/Joe Jurevicius/Eric Parker/Amani Toomer TE - Tony Gonzalez K - D/ST - Something of a safe team, I'll decline to grade it - instead I'll let the league grade it and take the average of those? Obviously I love Portis this year and as I've said, I would have considered him over Tomlinson at 1.03 With portis & Parker as my 1-2 at RB, I feel pretty comfortable, but I believe I have one of the most useful benches right now. Pittman WILL be used in Gruden's offense as a receiver, Anderson WILL be used in Baltimore to keep Jamal healthy and DeAngelo Williams should be voted "most likely to get a starting gig due to injury" award. WR is set with CJ/AJ and Porter. I'm convinced Brooks is going to be better than Collins, and they've also improved the O-Line. Porter is a nice target with Moss on the field. He's one of my sleepers this year and I think he fell too far here. Backups are steady eddie types, who will be servicable in the right matchup, the right BYE or in case of injury. And AJ, IMO has top 5 upside this year. Unliek some, I am still high on Trent Green & Tony Gonzalez. I never thought I'd have both, but let's face it - TGonz is the best end zone target. Inside 5 it's LJ all day. Between 20 and 5, it's TGonz. Sammy's a breakout candidate, but not in the red zone. Some picks (TGreen/EParker/Pittman/Anderson/JoeJ) were "safe" picks. Guys with consistency and good track records for health. Upside guys like AJ, WParker and DWilliams could bust open a championship for me if any exceed expectations. (no grade) 1.05 - Solo's Union Mission QB - Marc Bulger/Phillip Rivers/Mark Brunell RB - Ronnie Brown?/Joseph Addai/Cedric Benson/Dominic Rhodes/Michael Turner? WR - Terrell Owens/Koren Robinson/Antonio Bryant/Eric Moulds TE - Antonio Gates K - Neil Rackers D/ST - This team has me perplexed a bit. Ronnie Brown - man I didn't see that coming. HUGE risk, and as mentioned, I'm wondering if it were a $ league (or a $$$ league) if you'd make the same call. Not LaMont Jordan? Not Edge? I ould see RB over SJax, or over Caddy, but I woulda taken Edge or Jordan before RB. But then, I'm "safe" in the early rounds. I recognize his upside, but I would have opted for the known commodity. Are you a dolphins fan? Just curious. Addai/Rhodes was smoove, and you are very lucky I didn't snag Addai out from under you. However, I believe they'll both be playing more than you want. It'll be good steady production, but unless one goes down, I don't see RB2 numbers. You might have a better chance with Benson, but again - TJones is there and he will play some. Can't pay a guy and have the talent on the bench. Owens is an irritatingly good pick there, and yes, I was irritated. Not all that impressed with KRob (who was poison before his brief resurgance) Bryant or Moulds...I think one of those 3 will be above average, but you need to field 3, plus some big BYE weeks. Gates obviously is the help for that. You better hope Rivers busts out and Gates stays well numbers-wise, because for all intents and purposes, he's your WR2. Bulger rounds out a pretty nice, if risky effort. I passed on him because a QB with shoulder injuries 3 straight seasons makes me uncomfortable. But if healthy no doubting his talent. B- 1.06 - Clash of the Titans QB - Peyton Manning/Ron Mexico RB - Run Tiki Tiki Tiki Run! Barber//Thomas Jones/Fred Taylor/LenDale White/Cedric Houston/Cedric Cobbs WR - Hines Ward/Donald Driver/Terry Glenn/Mark Clayton/Roddy White TE - L.J. Smith K - D/ST - Like many "team Manning" efforts I've seen, this one looks familiar in many ways - RB especially. It always seems to happen. You take Manning in the 1st or 2nd, then end up sucking hind tit on the other position runs. Tiki is gold, but a RB2 of Fred Taylor - euugh. Even if healthy, he doesn't get used in the red zone. I'm a Taylor fan, but I think his best years are behind him. After that there's a hodge podge of mediocrity. BYEs will be a challenge. But there it is - Peyton Manning. You essentially mortgaged your RB2 for a QB, so you then grabbed a WR, so you could be in the middle of the WR run. In PPR leagues, I Ward, but taking him meant you have Taylor as a RB2 and nothing as a RB3. Your WRs are above average with Ward/Driver/Glenn, but I think you should have taken another RB instead of Vick. He's a luxury you couldn't afford being "team Peyton". Still and all - Manning should single handidly win you some weeks. You just have to hope the Manning factor overcomes your lack of depth. Never seen a team like this win - there's always a 1st time. C- 1.07 - Da Bears QB - Carson Palmer/Brett Favre/Ben Roethlisberger RB - Edgerin James/Jamal Lewis/Ron Dayne WR - Torry Holt/Rod Smith/Muhsin Mohammad TE - Todd Heap K - David Akers D/ST - Pittsburgh Steelers D/ST/Falcons D/ST Palmer is money - word is he might even be ready for training camp. Man - what a stud. That rehab is brutal and he attacked it. Edge was a steal there, and you can thank "Solo Brown" for that of course. Jamal is your wild card, IMO. If he returns to 2000 yard form, you're in the playoffs. I am not down on James at all. The run-blocking of the O-Line in Indy isn't as good as that passing game makes it seem. James will find his holes and will be the #1, #2 and #3 option inside 10 yards. I remember Denny when he had a RB - he loves to pound the rock in the red zone. Heap is a great pick, and a guy I think has stud written all over him. The way McNair can use a good receiving TE makes Heap a scary pick. WRs look great too with that trio of Holt/Smith and Moose. This is one of the better teams in the league, IMO. Thin as hell everywhere, but solid virtually everywhere. If your team stays healthy, you might win this league. A (a little depth at WR and RB instead of a D and K this early and this would be an A+.) 1.08 - The ellisonb11 QB - Matt Hasselbeck/Aaron Brooks/Byron Leftwich RB - Lamont Jordan/Warrick Dunn/Curtis Martin/Duce Staley WR - Steve Smith/Santana Moss/Reggie Brown/Isaac Bruce/ernest wilford TE - Chris Cooley K - D/ST - Ravens D/ST Hass/Jordan/Dunn/SSmith/SMoss is one of the best QB/RB/RB/WR/WR lineups in the league. Depth at RB is sketchy with CMart/Staley, but good at WR in Bruce/Wilford. I like this team - not a lot to complain about. I think you've done a terrific job. You can ill afford injury to a RB, but you will compete. This team has playffs written all over it. Of course players could bust, but I like what you've done here. This looks like a team I'd draft from 8. Maybe not SMoss (it'd be AJ for me there) but otherwise a nice job. A 1.09 - Ace QB - Daunte Culpepper/John Kitna RB - Steven Jackson/Willis McGahee/Frank Gore/Ryan Moats/LaDell Betts WR - Chris Chambers/Plaxico Burress/Derick Mason/Matt Jones/ TE - Kellen Winslow K - D/ST - Bears D/ST/Panthers D/ST Big question mark right off with CPep. Kitna will have some monster games, but I think will be too inconsistent to be an every week starter. Your wild card is Kitna. Ok, well - Kitna and McGahee. If those two boom, you boom. If they bust, they take you down with them. You've tied that fate to Chambers as well to an extent, but he'll ball regardless of who's at QB. Gore/Moats/Betts - might have an adequit backup in that lot, but I'm not convinced. I think Barlow/Gore will be RBBC to be honest. Balow's better suited to the job and Gore is a better short yardage option - behind that revamped line, one could surprise. hard to count on that as a RB3 though. WRs rounded out well by Burress, Mason and Matt Jones - I really, really love your WRs. Eli Manning is on an upward swing, McNair reuniting with Mason, and Jones is a beast. Well done there. Winslow is a gamble, and there were safer options. Good upside, but he's a d00ch, so good luck with that. Altogether a team that with some breaks could compete this year. Or a team that could be solidly mediocre, one RB away from a playoff run if either SJax or McGahee flounder. C+ 1.10 - My Dixie Weekend QB - Donovan McNabb/ Drew Brees RB - Brian Westbrook/Ruben Droughns/A.Green/Chris Brown/Samkon Gado WR - Larry Fitzgerald (2.03?)/Reggie Wayne/Laveranues Coles/Kevin Curtis/Samie Parker TE - Ben Watson/Zach Hilton K - D/ST - McNabb is a stud, but IMO will be a shell of his former "pre-Owens" form. why? The mobility is not there any more. He's still pocket mobile - but he's not field mobile. He won't rush for 480/6 anytime soon, and with those WRs, he won't do it with his arm to the point that he's a top 3 QB. One man's opinion. Love the RBs though, especially with what you did with WR to end up that way. Westy/Droughns should work out great for you, and looking back, I no longer question the Westbrook pick. Maybe 3 or 4 picks before I'd have taken him, but a solid pick there. But Fitz/Wayne is a nasty 1-2 at WR. KCurtis is another guy I At RB, you have Chrissy Brown and IMO, he's your wildcard. Agreen/Gado could be a waste of 2 picks. Who the hell knows. Watson was sneaky too. B- 1.11 - Grateful Parrots QB - Eli Manning/Steve McNair RB - Rudi Johnson/Julius Jones/Corey Dillon/Chris Perry/Najeh Davenpoop WR - DJax/Eddie Kennison/David Givens/Rod Gardner TE - Alge Crumpler/Ben Troupe K - D/ST - Colts D/ST Mini Manning due for a big one, IMO....Rudi/JJones could work out for you, but you failed to snare MBIII and that might cost you bigtime. Still, Dillon will play and could play hungry - he's got miles on him though and the Pats don't leave talent on the bench. They drafted a RB in the 1st for a reason and he'll play. Perry is a great pickup in a PPR league, and should see an increased role. At WR, DJax was your worst pick of the draft, IMO. Coming off knee surgery, he's had 1 big year and a few big playoff games. But where you took him isn't bad and he could come back strong...he's your wildcard. Kennison is underrated, but I like others worry a bit about Herm's offense. I know Trent will get his 3700-4000 and I'm pretty sure TGonz will get his 7 Tds...but Kennison is a mystery. He seemingly goes from bottom feeder to top 5 game to game. Givens/Gardner are ok...Givens a potential 1000/7. Gardner not so much. I like Crumpler/Troupe, but I think too many teams took a TE2 too early in this draft which allowed some talent to slide. This is one of those times. You would have been better off with another WR instead of Troupe IMO. B-/C+ (if there weren't so many Q's with regards to age, team changes & depth) 1.12 - Yippie Skippy QB - Jake Delhome/Matt Leinart/Vince Young RB - Cadilac Williams/Domanick Davis/Kevin Jones/Laurence Maroney/Marion Barber III WR - Roy Williams/Deion Branch/Nate Burelson TE - Jeremy Shockey/Vernon Davis K - Adam Vinatierra D/ST Ah, the end...let's see....Delhomme, check....Caddy....check....DDavis....check...Roy Williams....check...Branch...check.... Burleson....check.... All of these guys are your wildcards. Delhomme's inconsistency, Caddy's health, DDavis health, Roy's team around him, Burleson's new role; KJones not being a pvssy; one of your backup QBs getting a start when you need it - if these pieces fall into place, you win. If they don't, you're in 12th place come January. There's hit & miss players in this draft, but you seem to have a hit or miss team. Picks I LOVE: Maroney (see: Dillon reference above) MBIII (love JJones, but MBIII will play) shockey & VDavis. Tough team to grade. I give it a B+/D+ if that makes sense. Too much needs to fall into place for your to compete, but I could see you BLOWING UP for many games. so I give you a C Wee there's an hour I'll never have back. If you guys want to grade mine, I'm all ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clash of the Titans 1 Posted July 6, 2006 scooter this is my actual team...you may or may not need to adjust your rankings accordingly.. 1.06 - Clash of the Titans QB - Peyton Manning/Ron Mexico/Ben Roethlisberger RB - Run Tiki Tiki Tiki Run! Barber/ Thomas Jones/Fred Taylor/LenDale White/Cedric Houston/Cedric Cobbs WR - Hines Ward/Donald Driver/Terry Glenn/Mark Clayton/Braylon Edwards TE - L.J. Smith K - D/ST - Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 6, 2006 scooter this is my actual team...you may or may not need to adjust your rankings accordingly.. 1.06 - Clash of the Titans QB - Peyton Manning/Ron Mexico/Ben Roethlisberger RB - Run Tiki Tiki Tiki Run! Barber/ Thomas Jones/Fred Taylor/LenDale White/Cedric Houston/Cedric Cobbs WR - Hines Ward/Donald Driver/Terry Glenn/Mark Clayton/Braylon Edwards TE - L.J. Smith K - D/ST - TJones might help with BYE week depth, but he's not going to be your RB2. Not with Benson being the darling of the team. I question how consistently valuable he'll be. He has a history of sulking when he's not the starter, and that doesn't endear him to the coaching staff. It's happend 2 times now. I will add him though - thanks and sorry for the ommission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clash of the Titans 1 Posted July 6, 2006 TJones might help with BYE week depth, but he's not going to be your RB2. Not with Benson being the darling of the team. I question how consistently valuable he'll be. He has a history of sulking when he's not the starter, and that doesn't endear him to the coaching staff. It's happend 2 times now. I will add him though - thanks and sorry for the ommission. i appreciate the assessment and can understand why you gave me the lowest ranking.....yes taking a qb puts me in the hole early ( even in the 2nd ) but the value at 2.7 for manning was entirely too beneficial for me to pass up in a 6 point td league...especially when i have him projected to throw 9 more tds than my projected #2 qb.....i have 3 solid picks to start the draft and i feel one of those i drafted as a rb will step up and take a #2 role for my team...i feel solid at every position even though benson is the darling of the team as you stated.....i think jones at this point is still the most well-rounded back on the team...i think he'll come into camp once again with a major chip on his shoulder and take the full-time role again at least that's my plan anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 6, 2006 i appreciate the assessment and can understand why you gave me the lowest ranking..... Bear in mind - you have a chance to compete because Manning will make up for some shortcomings...but like most "team Mannings" you put yourself in a hole to do it. One man's opinion. You will beat people - of that I am certain. Just not sure how consistently you'll produce. Your WRs should help too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted July 6, 2006 Scooter - you focking old fart.....you actually liked my team??? Jokes aside, I do not believe I have Rothlisberger..... hey, but if the commish wants, I can keep him. I do believe I have 2 more WRs (McCardell and Roddy White I believe) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 6, 2006 good input scooter. thanks for the compliments on my team, i agree with the points u made...my team must be healthy at the RB position for me to be successful. this clearly took alot of thought, great job taking the time to do this.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 6, 2006 I'll take my B almost A- rating considering how bad everyone is talking about my picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 6, 2006 I'll take my B almost A- rating considering how bad everyone is talking about my picks. Mostly they just want to bash you. hth lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grateful Parrot 0 Posted July 6, 2006 1.11 - Grateful Parrots QB - Eli Manning/Steve McNair RB - Rudi Johnson/Julius Jones/Corey Dillon/Chris Perry/Najeh Davenpoop WR - DJax/Eddie Kennison/David Givens/Rod Gardner TE - Alge Crumpler/Ben Troupe K - D/ST - Colts D/ST Mini Manning due for a big one, IMO....Rudi/JJones could work out for you, but you failed to snare MBIII and that might cost you bigtime. Still, Dillon will play and could play hungry - he's got miles on him though and the Pats don't leave talent on the bench. They drafted a RB in the 1st for a reason and he'll play. Perry is a great pickup in a PPR league, and should see an increased role. At WR, DJax was your worst pick of the draft, IMO. Coming off knee surgery, he's had 1 big year and a few big playoff games. But where you took him isn't bad and he could come back strong...he's your wildcard. Kennison is underrated, but I like others worry a bit about Herm's offense. I know Trent will get his 3700-4000 and I'm pretty sure TGonz will get his 7 Tds...but Kennison is a mystery. He seemingly goes from bottom feeder to top 5 game to game. Givens/Gardner are ok...Givens a potential 1000/7. Gardner not so much. I like Crumpler/Troupe, but I think too many teams took a TE2 too early in this draft which allowed some talent to slide. This is one of those times. You would have been better off with another WR instead of Troupe IMO. B-/C+ (if there weren't so many Q's with regards to age, team changes & depth) I like your opinion on my team as well. Even though I've played FF for some years now, I don't pretend to be an expert, but I have done fairly well through the years and made some good cash. This is my endeavor to see how I stack up against the FFToday experts and guys that I respect thier opinion (except Joc who had me at last place) Of course I can't take the credit for the Kennison or Perry picks, that was all Solo. Like I said before though, I would have made the Kennison pick, because he was next on my list. T.Green's got to throw to somebody, outside of Gonz, why not Kennison. I truely think the DJax pick will work out for me, he's the only reliable #1 option they have at reciever, so he'll get his touches. As far as the Givens/Gardner/Troupe picks. Somewhere through my drafts, I have a tendency to do homer picks. I watch every Titans/GB games every week. I like to have players on my team to cheer for. I think Gardner will be the leginimate #2 WR option for Favre this year until the rookie steps up. Even though I'm a Titan's homer as well, I'm not a big fan of Bennett. I know his history with Volek and believe that to be a fluke, and I think Givens will easily take the #1 WR position in no time and be the go to guy. But there is another reciever there that could finally step up..but we'll see. But for me...walking away with a B-/C+ isn't that bad...stars line up and I can be in contention with the best here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetness_34 0 Posted July 6, 2006 My updated team scooter (lotsa good WR depth IMO) Qb carson palmer Qb brett favre RB edgerrin james RB jamal lewis RB ron dayne WR torry holt WR rod smith WR muhsin muhammad WR keenan mccardell WR roddy white WR arnaz battle TE todd heap D steelers D falcons PK david akers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 6, 2006 Every - please post what your team is missing, or has in error here so I can correct any mistakes I've made. That would be a big help, thanks. Also - no one's going to grade my team after all this hard work? I'm disappointed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted July 6, 2006 scooter, ill comment on ur team..... QB: Trent Green/ Chris Simms RB: Portis/ FWP/ D. Williams/ Mike Anderson/ Pittman/ Verron Haynes WR: Chad Johnson/ Aj/ porter/ joe juri/ e.parker/toomer TE: gonzo Comments: ok, well first of all, uve got a pretty solid team. Portis leading your RB corps will really be a significant boost in the tight games u have in the future. FWP was somewhat a stretch at where you took him, but u clearly needed a RB and were in a tough spot. you went with the safest pick i believe, so i cant blame u for that. Deangelo will be a star and if foster goes down, which is very likely, u should have another stud on ur team. pittman proved he can step in and fill in for caddy when hes gone, so caddy runs out of gas again this year, u have another starter on ur team. u got ur handcuff for FWP, not so sure about mike anderson, but u have plenty of RB depth and u shouldnt have to worry about that position all year. cant go wrong with CJ as ur #1....palmer's health leaves a question mark but its looking good. AJ i also believe will bounce back from a horrible last season (he burnt me), and as a #2 its better....but he still scares me since hes on such a bad offensive team. porter is a solid #3, and i like the late pick on toomer. Trent green always quietly gets his yards, but i had him last year and he seemed to never produce that well....but u picked him over bulger, and i would rather have bulger this year, but u went with the safer pick, and i cant blame u for that. solid backup in Simms late in the draft. Gonzo at TE is always something for other teams to worry about. But, with herm wanting to consistently pounding the ball i dont expect monster numbers..maybe a little too early, but the guys got a lot of talent and huge upside. overall, i like ur team..love the RB depth, and WRs i like. Gonzo is a huge weapon on ur team...i dont see a specific weakspot on ur team. i give u a B/B+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 6, 2006 Im dissapointed with the rating you gave my team, and appreciate the modest level of respect, but so far my draft really has been sub C level. But I must say, Im even more disspointed that you didnt reveal how much Joc's team absolutely sucks! Im going on vacation and letting my Aunt Doris call in my lineup every week Im playing that host of hostages........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Im dissapointed with the rating you gave my team, and appreciate the modest level of respect, but so far my draft really has been sub C level. But I must say, Im even more disspointed that you didnt reveal how much Joc's team absolutely sucks! Im going on vacation and letting my Aunt Doris call in my lineup every week Im playing that host of hostages........ If Aunt Doris is finishing your draft, I give your team an A+. She is sure to find you a couple sleepers. Howie's team is rated too low. Also, Clash's team is too low. I could see that roster in the championship game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 7, 2006 Okay Scooter, I have a little time now so here's a shot at your team. 1.04 - The Unwashed Masses QB - Trent Green/Chris Simms RB - Clinton Portis/Willie Parker/DeAngelo Williams/ Mike Anderson/Verron Haynes/Michael Pittman WR - Chad Johnson/Andre Johnson/Jerry Porter/Joe Jurevicius/Eric Parker/Amani Toomer TE - Tony Gonzalez K - D/ST - Qb's - - I'm going with a B - - Green should get yardage plus td's, definitely possible long td's in there with 7-8 men in the box and safeties keying on LJ. I also like Simms as a backup. Rb - - Portis my #4 also so an A+ on that, FWP won't get you the td's 6-7 but should get you 10 games over 100 yards rushing and receiving combined which is solid. You need some things to happen though for the rest of the guys to help the lineup though. Overall b- only b/c of depth. Wr - I like them all especially where you got each of them in the draft. I'm also high on AJ this year with Moulds relieving some of the safeties double teams. Grade A Te- Gonzalez is a very nice pick A Overall team a B to B+ with a possible playoff run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Scooter did a good job, but I disagree with some grades. So this is what I see: Joc - C - bad receivers, Warner is an injury risk Howie - B+ - star rb, excellent receiver depth Server Menace - F - for being pretentious Unwashed Masses - B - Portis won't catch many passes, Gonzo will. good depth at RB. Not enough elite weapons? Solo - B- - early gates pick hurt (though many experts disagree) no receiver depth. TO may lead league this year. Bulger great when healthy Clash - A- - explosive team. great rbs and QBs. Better than average WRs. LJ great value pick. Da Bears - B+ - will Palmer have the strength in the knee to pass after being flushed from the pocket? Edge and Lewis are serious question marks. Moose should have better year, god knows he got enough targets last year. Rod Smith - this has been said the last 5 years, but I think this is the year we see a dip in his numbers. Ell - A - great team. Cooley will have good numbers, but must stay healthy if you are to win the championship Ace - A - another great team, but no RB depth Dixie - A- - very good team. Watson won't get as many targets as experts are predicting. Hilton won't start. Parrots - B- - decent team, but not enough elite talent Yippie - B - might surprise, might tank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 7, 2006 RB - Clinton Portis/Willie Parker/DeAngelo Williams/ Mike Anderson/Verron Haynes/Michael Pittman Overall b- only b/c of depth. Depth? Uh, I think by week 9 I'll have 3 starters. And I just read something about Anderson getting upwards of 7-10 carries a game. RBBC in Balt. I though I had great depth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 7, 2006 Depth? Uh, I think by week 9 I'll have 3 starters. And I just read something about Anderson getting upwards of 7-10 carries a game. RBBC in Balt. I though I had great depth. Williams - not the starter Anderson - not the starter Haynes - not the starter Pittman - not the starter I prefer the season to start at week one not week 9. Yes all of these guys could and possibly will get the load later on, but not to begin with is all I'm saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Williams - not the starterAnderson - not the starter Haynes - not the starter Pittman - not the starter I prefer the season to start at week one not week 9. Yes all of these guys could and possibly will get the load later on, but not to begin with is all I'm saying. Better watch out Joc, Williams could be the starter in Carolina sooner rather than later... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 7, 2006 What about this stat on my WR's? 3 year td average I have two in the top 23??? Tell me how that is bad? Moss 38 Harrison 37 Holt 31 Chambers 29 Owens 29 CJ 29 Ward 25 Santana Moss 24 Wayne 24 Muhammad 23 Horn 22 Walker 21 BENNETT 19 D.J 19 Marcus Robinson 19 Steve Smith 19 Fitz 18 Kennison 18 Mason 18 McCardell 18 GALLOWAY 17 Boldin 16 Burress 16 Now throw in TJ and Stallworth and you're telling me that's horrible? How do your Wr's rank on this list? Better watch out Joc, Williams could be the starter in Carolina sooner rather than later... Hey I like Williams a bunch! They didn't draft him cause he sucks. Foster is my #3 rb though not my 2nd! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 7, 2006 What about this stat on my WR's? 3 year td average I have two in the top 23??? Tell me how that is bad? Moss 38 Harrison 37 Holt 31 Chambers 29 Owens 29 CJ 29 Ward 25 Santana Moss 24 Wayne 24 Muhammad 23 Horn 22 Walker 21 BENNETT 19 D.J 19 Marcus Robinson 19 Steve Smith 19 Fitz 18 Kennison 18 Mason 18 McCardell 18 GALLOWAY 17 Boldin 16 Burress 16 Now throw in TJ and Stallworth and you're telling me that's horrible? How do your Wr's rank on this list? Hey I like Williams a bunch! They didn't draft him cause he sucks. Foster is my #3 rb though not my 2nd! I wouldn't worry about it too much Joc. It's not that you don't have receivers worth starting. Two #2 WR and some good #3 WR options isn't exactly the kiss of death. Consensus is, you'd have a better chance of winning more games with either Boldin or Chambers as a legit #1 WR instead of a fragile #3 RB looking over his shoulder. On the bright side, we could rename the league "Deshaun Foster Was A Dumb Pick League" in your honor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 7, 2006 On the bright side, we could rename the league "Deshaun Foster Was A Dumb Pick League" in your honor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 7, 2006 I wouldn't worry about it too much Joc. It's not that you don't have receivers worth starting. Two #2 WR and some good #3 WR options isn't exactly the kiss of death. Consensus is, you'd have a better chance of winning more games with either Boldin or Chambers as a legit #1 WR instead of a fragile #3 RB looking over his shoulder. On the bright side, we could rename the league "Deshaun Foster Was A Dumb Pick League" in your honor. Now that is funny, however when he gets his 10+ td's i'll be sticking this happy banana up your arse! That was Very Very funny though! on Deshaun Foster was a dumb pick league! Galloway is a #1 receiver and Bennett is a #1 receiver or did I miss something? Horn is wrinkley old, and if C.J goes down... that gives me two more #1's since you guys keep saying Foster is going down! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Galloway is a #1 receiver and Bennett is a #1 receiver or did I miss something? Yep...missed something. shhhh...nobody tell him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 8, 2006 Now that is funny, however when he gets his 10+ td's i'll be sticking this happy banana up your arse! That was Very Very funny though! on Deshaun Foster was a dumb pick league! Galloway is a #1 receiver and Bennett is a #1 receiver or did I miss something? Horn is wrinkley old, and if C.J goes down... that gives me two more #1's since you guys keep saying Foster is going down! Let me put the issue another way. Drafting your #3 RB after getting LJ on your squad shouldn't be your 1st priority. It won't matter if Foster is healthy & puts up 10 TDs when you are starting LJ & Taylor. Even spot starting Foster over Taylor won't give you as much FF value through the season as Chambers or Boldin would net you, especially when we start 3 WR. Realisticly, Foster is only a good pick if Chester Taylor gets injured early in the season or pulls a JJ Arrington AND Foster has a good healthy season. Drafting Foster as your #3 in round 3 is much smarter when you have guys like Caddy & McGahee as your top 2 picks. Foster could very well out produce them while healthy & he has more upside on this team than yours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 8, 2006 Steel, youre making too much sense for your own good........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 8, 2006 Steel, youre making too much sense for your own good........... What can I say...I'm a fella that likes depth at RB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 8, 2006 Joc- Ill tell you a story. 3 years ago, I helped a buddy draft a team in an 8 owner re-draft league. We had one of the first few picks, so we went with Priest. It was the year he had 27TDs. Then, we followed that up with Edgerrin James. He had somewhat of an off year, but he was still fairly solid. He was recovering a little from the ACL tear. In the 3rd, we grabbed Jamal Lewis....the year he rushed for over 2000yds. So, 3 RBs in the first 3 rounds, one that broke the TD record, one that rushed for over 2K, and had Favre and Bulger as Qs, the year Favre led the league in TD passes. RB, RB, RB......I forget the WRs because they were guys on the level of Galloway and some other 'decent' guys that didnt quite get it done. This team led that league in scoring by a mile..... in a 2 WR, 2RB, flex league......and didnt make the playoffs. Every week the opposing team had seemingly a season high score posted. Anything goes in FF....even with the best of RBs.....let alone that band of castoffs youve got assisiting LJ. So, good luck with that 3 RB theory in a start 3 WR league.......where luck is and always will be KING. I write because I care...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 8, 2006 Joc-Ill tell you a story. 3 years ago, I helped a buddy draft a team in an 8 owner re-draft league. We had one of the first few picks, so we went with Priest. It was the year he had 27TDs. Then, we followed that up with Edgerrin James. He had somewhat of an off year, but he was still fairly solid. He was recovering a little from the ACL tear. In the 3rd, we grabbed Jamal Lewis....the year he rushed for over 2000yds. So, 3 RBs in the first 3 rounds, one that broke the TD record, one that rushed for over 2K, and had Favre and Bulger as Qs, the year Favre led the league in TD passes. RB, RB, RB......I forget the WRs because they were guys on the level of Galloway and some other 'decent' guys that didnt quite get it done. This team led that league in scoring by a mile..... in a 2 WR, 2RB, flex league......and didnt make the playoffs. Every week the opposing team had seemingly a season high score posted. Anything goes in FF....even with the best of RBs.....let alone that band of castoffs youve got assisiting LJ. So, good luck with that 3 RB theory in a start 3 WR league.......where luck is and always will be KING. I write because I care...... First of all an 8 teamer league doesn't count. 2nd - I prefer depth at running back and look for solid wr's. I believe my receivers will consistantly put up nice yards weekly - all four of them I took in rounds 4-7. If one steps up and gets me 9-10td's, that's even a bonus. I had C.J last year and he only had 9 td's and 4 games over 100 yards. CJ 2005 average 89 ypg, would you call that average, solid, great, or elite? - - Galloway 2005 average 80 yards per game. I have confidence in my boys catching the rock! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 9, 2006 First of all an 8 teamer league doesn't count. 2nd - I prefer depth at running back and look for solid wr's. I believe my receivers will consistantly put up nice yards weekly - all four of them I took in rounds 4-7. If one steps up and gets me 9-10td's, that's even a bonus. I had C.J last year and he only had 9 td's and 4 games over 100 yards. CJ 2005 average 89 ypg, would you call that average, solid, great, or elite? - - Galloway 2005 average 80 yards per game. I have confidence in my boys catching the rock! ... you think carrying a 2k yard rusher and a 27TD record breaker in the same year on any team, I dont care if its a TWO team league, isnt doing something, then you really have no idea what youre up against. Im staying far away from you in fantasy tennis, though. What can I say...I'm a fella that likes depth at RB Neither of those guys have ever had more than 3 TDs in several seasons in the NFL.....I drafted a guy in the 6th round thats had NINE in a season and he plays for the Colts. You reached too soon for each of those guys, that's all anyone with logic is trying to explain to you. By the way....Foster and Taylor.....EIGHT seasons.....a combined 14 total TDs.....Antonio Gates.....2004 season......13 total TDs......now, if only I could line him up as a RB, I sure would have some 'depth' there........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 9, 2006 ... you think carrying a 2k yard rusher and a 27TD record breaker in the same year on any team, I dont care if its a TWO team league, isnt doing something, then you really have no idea what youre up against. Im staying far away from you in fantasy tennis, though. Then how come My first championship was with terrell Davis' 20 something td's and my second pick was Barry sanders with only 4 td's? How could you lose anything with 27td's and your 2nd guy having 2000 yards? Should I have taken Kevin Jones and Anquan Boldin instead? Perhaps It was a stretch, but I wasn't waiting 22 picks later to find out. Chester Taylor 100% would have been gone by 4.1 and maybe foster. Why can't you accept that I like Galloway, TJ, Bennett, Stallworth, LLoyd, Engram, and Williamson? No they might not be the best WR corps out there... but I am very happy with them. I didn't want Chambers 2.12 or 3.1 b/c I don't trust Culpepper 1 bit. He's a joke without Moss - look at last year. If Boldin does score, isn't it my qb throwing it to him? . You did pull up some pretty good stats though on Taylor's and Foster's career td total's that I can't deny. Yes they were a gamble, but I took K.J last year for my 2nd pick and look at how that turned out and then read my sig! and how the hell do I quote a one sentence blurb from an entire paragraph . I've yet to figure that shiet out?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoloMatisse 0 Posted July 9, 2006 I dont know who you should have taken with those picks, but I do know one thing.........its a sign of good things to come when we're going back and forth like this in July, and the football season is still 2 months away..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 9, 2006 I dont know who you should have taken with those picks, but I do know one thing.........its a sign of good things to come when we're going back and forth like this in July, and the football season is still 2 months away..... Coach Jocstrap sticking up for his boys, that's all! It's a friendly conversation. I can't help it if I'm such a genius! JK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 9, 2006 Way to hijack a thread guys! Sheesh, get a room. You two can fight over which one will beat the other out for 9th place in private. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted July 9, 2006 Way to hijack a thread guys! Sheesh, get a room. You two can fight over which one will beat the other out for 9th place in private. I've never been a part of highjacking a thread! I feel kind of dirty . BTW how am I going to be in 9th place when LJ sets the td scoring record and my POS receiver's dominate! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted July 9, 2006 and how the hell do I quote a one sentence blurb from an entire paragraph . I've yet to figure that shiet out?! That's easy. Just highlight the section you want to quote & click the "Reply" button. Works like stickum on a TE's paws. I've never been a part of highjacking a thread! I feel kind of dirty . BTW how am I going to be in 9th place when LJ sets the td scoring record and my POS receiver's dominate! How should I know? Ask Solo since he thinks he's gonna earn the 9th place title. My team is headed for 12th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted August 10, 2006 That's easy. Just highlight the section you want to quote & click the "Reply" button. Works like stickum on a TE's paws. How should I know? Ask Solo since he thinks he's gonna earn the 9th place title. My team is headed for 12th I like your team. I figure 10th is a realistic and attainable goal. Lowered expectations lead to less disappointment...uh, just saying. ps - is it me, or are those Toyota Yaris commercials really cool, even if the car is really not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Blues 0 Posted August 11, 2006 I like your team. I figure 10th is a realistic and attainable goal. Lowered expectations lead to less disappointment...uh, just saying. ps - is it me, or are those Toyota Yaris commercials really cool, even if the car is really not? 10th eh? You're right bra. A goal should be set high enough to be challenging to achieve yet attainable. I wasn't giving my team enough credit for best case scenerio. Thanks Scoot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace08 11 Posted August 23, 2006 I'll tell you fools one thing....now that I've given the proverbial "dust" time to settle....my team looks even better since Gore (my 3rd RB) is now "El Hombre" in Niner land and Culpepper is looking great. Derrick Mason is my 3rd WR and I have Matt Jones on the bench!!!! I think the cat is out of the bag with J. Norwood as well since Duckett just got traded. Norwood could be a real surprise this year.....and he'd be my 4th RB. It's gonna be a long year for you guys...make sure you spell my name correctly on the championship trophy......it's A-C-E Ok..you can return to your bantering now. I can't wait for the season to start. By the way...which website are we using again for this league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
