6 points for passing td

[sta 5]

We changed to a PPR and 6 points for a passing td, also bonus points for 100 yards rushing and receving and 300 passing.

 

Is taking Manning with the 5th pick a good idea?

 

I am afraid that would leave me very weak at RB.

 

Any ideas?

[TIKI-BARBERS-BARBER 0]

If the qb got 6 points for passing and all other tds was less it wouldn't be a bad idea. But if the tds are equal 6 I wouldn't want Manning with the 5th pick. I don't like to take a qb early unless the scoring system favors qbs.

 

Also I would take Barber or Portis with the 5th pick this year.

[IndyTom 0]

If the qb got 6 points for passing and all other tds was less it wouldn't be a bad idea. But if the tds are equal 6 I wouldn't want Manning with the 5th pick. I don't like to take a qb early unless the scoring system favors qbs.

 

Also I would take Barber or Portis with the 5th pick this year.

 

Hmmm...I disagree. A point system that awards 6 points to a QB does favor QB's. Manning is already projected to go no later than middle second round in mocks that only award 3 or 4 points per TD pass. Boosting it to 6 would bump all QB's up a round and make RB's a tiny bit less important.

[uby 0]

this has been covered numerous times.

 

6 pts for all TDs works for ALL QBs, not just Manning.

 

if you think he'll throw 45 TDs, it might be worth it.

 

otherwise, he'll likely throw 35 TDs - and there are a gaggle of capable QBs who can get 30+ TDs to be had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH later than the 1.05 pick ...

[TIKI-BARBERS-BARBER 0]

this has been covered numerous times.

 

6 pts for all TDs works for ALL QBs, not just Manning.

 

if you think he'll throw 45 TDs, it might be worth it.

 

otherwise, he'll likely throw 35 TDs - and there are a gaggle of capable QBs who can get 30+ TDs to be had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH later than the 1.05 pick ...

Exactly take Barber or Portis then grab Mannings brother in the 5th or 6th.

[IndyTom 0]

and there are a gaggle of capable QBs who can get 30+ TDs to be had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH later than the 1.05 pick ...

 

 

2005 Passing TD Leaders

 

Passing TDs

C Palmer 32

P Manning 28

T Brady 26

E Manning 24

D Brees 24

M Hasselbeck 24

J Delhomme 24

M Brunell 23

D Bledsoe 23

B Favre 20

K Collins 20

 

HTH

[pimptastic69 0]

My league switched to the same format this year and Manning's projected point total is rivaling Larry Johnson's. However, the same projections show 12 other QB's with higher projected points than the 5th ranked RB (LaMont Jordan).

 

Let Manning go, pick the RB's and select one of those 12 high scoring QB's in the 5th or 6th round.

[TIKI-BARBERS-BARBER 0]

My league switched to the same format this year and Manning's projected point total is rivaling Larry Johnson's. However, the same projections show 12 other QB's with higher projected points than the 5th ranked RB (LaMont Jordan).

 

Let Manning go, pick the RB's and select one of those 12 high scoring QB's in the 5th or 6th round.

I agree and think Eli will be a top 5 qb that can be had in the 5th or 6 round.

[SmartassBoiler 0]

 

2005 Passing TD Leaders

 

Passing TDs

C Palmer 32

P Manning 28

T Brady 26

E Manning 24

D Brees 24

M Hasselbeck 24

J Delhomme 24

M Brunell 23

D Bledsoe 23

B Favre 20

K Collins 20

 

HTH

 

I agree that the poster's point you replied to earlier was erroneous in the fact he assumed 30 passing TDs to be some sort of norm, but I don't think you're correct whatsoever in promoting Manning to be a top 5 overall pick.

 

As someone else pointed out, 6 pts/TD benefits all QBs, not just Manning. Manning is still over-valued in the middle of the 2nd round whether you use 4 points or 6 points for passing TDs. I understand wanting to lock up the most consistent player at a position, but in a 1 QB format, there's just too much value to be had in the later rounds. By picking 2 QBs later, 1 will usually stick, or you can play matchups between the two which might even be more beneficial. The matchup game might even lead to combined stats across the games that come somewhat close to Manning's overall numbers. That way you can attack other positions that aren't so deep earlier in the draft.

[-jb- 0]

I agree that the poster's point you replied to earlier was erroneous in the fact he assumed 30 passing TDs to be some sort of norm, but I don't think you're correct whatsoever in promoting Manning to be a top 5 overall pick.

 

As someone else pointed out, 6 pts/TD benefits all QBs, not just Manning. Manning is still over-valued in the middle of the 2nd round whether you use 4 points or 6 points for passing TDs. I understand wanting to lock up the most consistent player at a position, but in a 1 QB format, there's just too much value to be had in the later rounds. By picking 2 QBs later, 1 will usually stick, or you can play matchups between the two which might even be more beneficial. The matchup game might even lead to combined stats across the games that come somewhat close to Manning's overall numbers. That way you can attack other positions that aren't so deep earlier in the draft.

 

While I'm not (necessarily) advocating drafting Manning early in this format, your logic needs some clarification. As we know, the concept of value is what needs consideration here. By raising the points awarded for passing TDs, you're increasing the delta between the best QB (Manning assumed) and the 12th best (assuming a start 1QB format)

 

For the sake of argument, let's assume the following projections:

Manning 4,015 yards / 31 TDs / 12 ints

Marc Bulger 3685 yards / 22 TDs / 15 ints

 

1 pt for every 25 yards, 6 pts for pass TDs:

Manning - 307.5

Bulger - 242.5

Variance 65 pts

 

or...

 

1 pt for every 25 yards, 4 pts for pass TDs:

Manning - 249.4

Bulger - 202

Variance 47.4 pts

 

That's a point swing of 27% at the QB position, with no change at other positions. That can be significant. All that said, my rankings have Manning sitting at #27 overall scoring 4pts a PTD, and #19 in a 6pt PTD format. Still not a first rounder, but he does move up from a 3rd rounder to a 2nd...which means I still won't wind up drafting him (he'll go earlier)

[wildbluefan 0]

I have #6 pick as well, and am seriously considering PM , with 6 points for pass TDs as well ! Without Edge in the backfield, Manning will be passing more, with quick short to intermediate -type passes to the TEs and receivers ! I think he will rebound closer to his '04 numbers , with close to 40 TDs ! The other point here is, do you take an almost cinch #1 QB here , or an RB with potential questions , HOPING you have chosen the right one ! Personally, I don't like to gamble with my first round pick !!!

[cinciman7 2]

I would seriously consider him at 6th

[FFBGuy 0]

I also tend to stay away from QBs in Round 1 but it kind of depends what kind of season you think Peyton will have. Obviously, if he puts up 2004-type numbers he is worth even the number 1 overall pick. If you get the 2005 version, he is no way worth a first round selection. I'm personally projecting something in between (35+ TDs), so I see him as a LATE first round, early second round type this year.

[LittleRoman 0]

My league is the same scoring except we start 2 qb's. The team with the best qb's wins every year.

[mozzy84 0]

in 15 years playing ff I have never seen anyone win the title when they pick a qb in the first round, maybe its coincedence, maybe not. I Love it when guys do it, I play in a league that has 6 points for passing tds and the qb's where flying off the board in the first round last year manning, culpepper, mcnabb, it was great, I took bulger and hasselbach waaaay later and made out great. If any year you were to wait to grab a qb this would be it, let some other sucker burn their first on a qb.

[Guest Davaco]

its not a good idea. the additional points gained is very small, assume manning throws 40 tds, and Player X throws 23. you gained an additional 34 points. (17x2). assuming a 6 vs 4 point td pass league.

 

of course manning is already better than player x, so all we care about is the additional advantage gained.

 

 

what it does do, is cheapen rushing tds by qbs as total tds count.

 

My league is the same scoring except we start 2 qb's. The team with the best qb's wins every year.

 

thats cuz qbs are more valueable. I play in leagues that start 3 wr (and te) and the player with the best wrs wins.

 

my new league.

 

2qb

2rb

3wr

1te

1k

1def

 

 

makes drafts much more interesting than rb,rb,rb,rb,rb,rb,rb,rb,rb,rb ...