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I saw it in the late 80’s and never watched it again until last night. The movie is based on the real life gang rape of a woman in a bar on a pool table in Massachusetts: In 1983, Cheryl Araujo was a 21-year-old mother of two living in her hometown of New Bedford, Massachusetts. On March 6th, she went into Big Dan’s Tavern to buy cigarettes from a dispenser inside the bar. After chatting with a waitress and ordering a drink, Araujo was attempting to leave the bar when a man grabbed her from behind. She was gang raped on the bar’s pool table while others looked on. One man admitted during the trial that he shouted, “Go for it! Go for it!” during the assault. After more than two hours, Araujo managed to escape, and ran half naked into the street where she flagged down a car carrying three three men, including brothers Dan and Michael O’Neill. Based on your upbringing, do you believe the way rape was defined has changed since you were young? For those that remember the crime, some people believed the men were innocent because she enticed them or that her being in a bar alone implied she was deserving of the rape. I am old enough to remember being afraid for any girl who was drunk and went off with a boy. I was afraid she might get raped by him or him and his friends. I think men were not taught, like they are today, that taking advantage of a drunk girl was wrong. I recall boys laughing about “pulling a train on a girl”. Girls who were coerced or forced into having sex with more than one boy at a time, back in my day, told no one and faulted herself. (Luckily, I was not a victim of that sort of rape.) Today, thank goodness, boys and girls are taught that NO means NO and you can’t consent to sex if you are under the influence or under age. However, rape, when I was very young, was something that happened by a stranger not your boyfriend or husband or friend. It was a severely violent act. Furthermore, if you as a girl or woman were at a man’s house or room alone and you didn’t scream bloody murder then it wasn’t seen as being clear that you didn’t want to have sex or lead the man or men to believe that you wanted the sexual act to occur. For you older guys, do you remember having to unlearn certain behaviors or ways of thinking about what rape is or how and when to make sexual advances towards women?

Just read the William Kennedy Smith incident and this should prove that women were simply not believed unless obvious violence took place:

Wow! You guys saw this story before I did! Now I’m going to go out in a limb and say that, I bet, they didn’t beat her and that she was coerced and seduced into sex such that at the time she likely, like my friend felt, that she wouldn’t be seen as a victim because back then, IMO, she may have been seen as willing or that those high powered men would’ve somehow not been faulted due to the era. I think the same reason is why many women stayed silent until years later when the same thing happened with Bill Cosby. I think today we are clearer about seeing this as rape where before it was seen as seduction or manipulation. I mean, this is why I’m asking. I am not a man and I wonder if men think women like it or is it that they’re fully aware it’s rape or force and enjoy it or simply don’t care. I think it’s easy to claim that it’s obviously rape today but these types of cases were rare back in the 80’s. I recall a Kennedy being acquitted of rape that very well would’ve seen him convicted if tried today.

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This thread has taken a turn. Now it’s time to say goodbye…to all our company….

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No, I wasn’t saying that, I simply shared that it wasn’t considered rape. Not that boys were assaulting girls left and right for fun.

Yes, let’s not turn this into a black people commit rape more than anyone else thread because you know what I will do. This thread is about mindset and behaviors, not race. And if you want to add race or cultural differences, it’s okay to discuss it but please let’s do it respectfully. Otherwise, I’m not participating.

What culture are you speaking of? The Stanford culture? Both the judge and Brock went to Stanford.

Thanks for participating in this discussion!

Brock Turner, in 2015, raped/assaulted (plea bargain - he did rape her) an unconscious girl behind a dumpster. He was a Stanford swimmer. The judge sentenced him to 6 months in jail because a harsher sentence, him having to go to prison at such a young age would have a severe impact on him not to mention all the impact of the media on him. And because HE was drunk and impaired, that may have been the reason he did this. (My interpretation of the judge’s words.) In the Accused movie the lawyer spoke about his client the same way the judge in real life spoke about Brock. Poor Brock didn’t mean it. Don’t ruin his bright future over this minor occurrence. It just reminded me of the old way of thinking.

Okay, I’ll stick with real life examples. I’m just trying to get some sort of discussion, and you don’t have to agree with me, clearly many of you do not, that older generations views on rape changed with time. That what was once considered acceptable (sex while under the influence) is not acceptable today. That is why there was victim blaming in the Accused movie and in real life, because she had been drinking and was flirty.

I’m talking about when the dark haired cutie says his girlfriend is upstairs drunk and he could violate her in many different ways if he wanted and then the blonde guy says what are you waiting for…

But that’s what I’m saying! That is what is in the scene in the movie, except it’s his girlfriend.

I’ve already stated, none of these things happened to me. I am just having a discussion. ETA, I’m a bit of a prude if you haven’t noticed.

I’m using the word “rape” and what I’m saying is that back then what was considered normal is now considered rape. Having sex with your drunk girlfriend could be deemed rape today while back in the 80’s and before was a wild night.

Skip to 3 minutes: This wasn’t shocking or irregular.

I think, I want you guys from my generation to think back on how some of the sexual behaviors of the time that were considered normal are now considered rape. Please don’t think I’m asking you to admit to participating in any act but just to compare and contrast the views of today and yesterday. Please don’t pretend that it was the same then as now.

Thanks

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I didn’t make this up in my head. It is a fact that some people, due to the era, partially blamed the victim. I recall even in the Mike Tyson rape case not everyone believed the victim. Which highlights my point that rape, in the older generation’s mind, happens with a stranger or with evidence of violence.

110% Actually, this is why I’m here. Okay…please understand, I am 57 years old. Understand that when I was coming up, it was not seen as a crime to take advantage of a girl or woman in this way. It was seen as the fault of the girl. Honestly, it seems absurd, but when questioned the girl would be blamed not the boys. Think of it like leaving your wallet unattended in public, leaving your computer and cell phone visible in an unlocked car. People would automatically say you were foolish to think your valuables wouldn’t be stolen and sure, file a police report but what did expect. I know of 3 incidents specifically that happened. In one incident my friend in high school had a serious crush on a popular boy in school. She had a sexy physique as a freshman, her parents were not from this country so she was a bit different, her hair was very long and her clothes were maybe tighter than other kids because she wore hand me downs - I’m giving you the framework, not blaming her. He invited her over his house while his parents weren’t home. She thought it was just going to be him there but it was him and another boy who didn’t go to our school, a dropout. They took advantage of her and talked about it. She got a bad reputation from it. That’s how it was back then. The other incident involved 1 girl and 7 boys. In that case, I begged my friend to tell her parents and the police because she was clearly raped. She said to prevent herself from being brutalized she participated and was complaint so she couldn’t tell anyone. The last story was a girl, not my friend, was having sex with her boyfriend and during the act his friends stormed in and took advantage of her. She dropped out of school. Nothing was done to the boys.