The Real timschochet

The Democrats can’t do this without surrendering on healthcare. The Republicans CAN do this. All they need to do is agree to extend the ACA benefits. They’re going to do it anyhow. They might as well do it now.

1. Absolutely true that we need immigrants to work in agriculture, food services, and other jobs that pay below minimum wage. If you don’t want them to be undocumented, then allow them in legally and give the ones already here legal status. 2. Not sure where you got “the white guys” from. Seems pretty racist. There is plenty of fraud in SNAP, I detailed it above. Very little comes from undocumented immigrants because the documents are too difficult to forge for the return offered. As far as someone like me helping, how am I supposed to secure fake I-94s and medical records? You have a vivid imagination. 3. You’re correct. I’m not a liar. And you haven’t caught me lying. Neither has @supermike80 who also makes this constant accusation. It’s crap.

There are plenty of people in blue states on SNAP and TANF. However we take care of our own. Most blue states have emergency plans in place so that nobody loses benefits. Most of the states you listed do not. It will be interesting to see how they react. Even so I hate this. Blue or red I don’t want anyone to suffer.

No you haven’t

It’s very easy to find out the truth about all the paperwork you need to get SNAP benefits. https://www.cdss.ca.gov/food-nutrition/calfresh Read up. Don’t take my word for it. It’s all there. After you read it, think about how hard it would be to forge all the necessary documents.

You know nothing about me. I helped them for three reasons: first because I could. After my parents and brother died I became financially well off and had the means to help causes I believe in. I wanted to be personally involved, not just send money somewhere. Second, because even before the election last year I became sick to death of the growing anti-immigrant sentiment in this country. Frankly people with views like yours sicken me and I wanted to fight back any way I could. Third because when my father came to this country at age 13, a Holocaust survivor and a refugee from the horrors of Soviet Communism, he and my grandparents were helped out by a family in Long Beach whom they did not know and who owed them nothing (part of a group at the time of Jewish American volunteers.) I wanted to return the favor. I’m sure you’ll choose to believe none of this @jonnyutah and I really don’t care. It’s all true. F you if you imply otherwise.

Maybe. All I am saying is that, based on the amount of paperwork I saw and the limited amount of reward, it doesn’t really seem worth it for a lot of people to take advantage.

Thanks but I wasn’t looking for plaudits. I wish I could do more. That program was terrific. My entire family volunteered to help out this Afghan family- we found them an apartment, got the kids into school, helped them get Snap, helped the parents find work. We still see them, still help them out as much as we can. It’s probably the most rewarding experience of my life.

No big deal? It’s not nearly enough. The average rate I pay day laborers is around $60 an hour. It’s gone up from $50 in the last year. Not that it’s at all relevant to this discussion.

I don’t think he understands anything about this. Last year I helped a family of refugees from Afghanistan obtain SNAP benefits. (I was a part of Welcome Corp, a wonderful Biden program for refugees which Trump killed.) The amount of paperwork to get the SNAP benefits was long and exhausting. Birth certificates, certified health records, I-94 papers. There is no way any undocumented immigrant can get these. It’s a total lie. This family of that I worked with 5 received $1600 a month in total benefits. That’s all. And you guys think people are taking advantage of this?

OK Supermike80

I don’t go around documenting my political thoughts for future reference. That’s your game not mine. As for shutting up, I encourage you to purchase this forum from its current ownership so that you can dictate who gets to post.

You have a strange idea of what defines “bad person”. I have no idea if I’m a bad person or not, though I’d like to think I’m not. My family and close friends assure me that I’m a very good person so I think I’ll take their word for it over yours. But then who is to say for sure?

I’m right about 80% of the time. Not great, not terrible either. But in this case I don’t predict anything about Vance except that he’s not a viable Presidential candidate. He may very well be the nominee but that doesn’t tell us much because the strong odds are 2028 will be a Democratic win no matter what.

Do you realize you spend more time analyzing me than you do about nearly any other subject? It’s disturbing. Practically the first thing I ever read of yours was your statement that polls are completely meaningless. That’s when I knew you were politically clueless. I didn’t need to analyze you further, I had you pegged. Nothing you’ve written since has helped to change this. Oh and we were both wrong about Kamala winning. You predicted she would win too. Have you forgotten?

Your correction doesn’t help you. It’s just as dumb. First off the money isn’t “taken” from us. We give it as part of the social contract of our democratic system. And it’s spent by elected officials whom we choose to be there and if we don’t like how it’s spent, we can elect others. Because it’s still our money. That’s how it works in a free country. We don’t live in a dictatorship however much you and other MAGA types think we do or should. You would know all of this already if you had taken a basic civics lesson. Your ideas are crap, your posts are crap. If you want to respond to this post with more crap be my guest. But you’ll only embarrass yourself further.

It wasn’t “the left” that wrote that money spent by our government is not taxpayer money. That was you. And it was by far the stupidest thing written in this thread.

I’ve been right way more often than I’ve been wrong, and way more often than you. lol

You’re always interested. That’s why you always respond. Surely you know that Vance doesn’t have it in him to win a Presidential election, right? You don’t need me to tell you this. Whatever that thing is that winning Presidential candidates have- he is lacking. Why do you think so many conservatives were talking up Charlie Kirk as Trump’s successor?

Republicans believe that when the SNAP benefits end on November 1, the public will blame Democrats and the Dems will quickly surrender. Democrats believe that when the new health care premiums for ACA hit on November 1, the public will blame Republicans and the GOP will quickly surrender. Guess we’ll find out. Personally I see it as a game of Russian Roulette except that there are two bullets in the gun, and after the first guy shoots himself in the head, the second guy has to keep playing.

Well for one thing because in an honest election JD Vance has no chance whatsoever of winning.

In our recent discussion about undeclared wars this country has fought, we’re going to need to add: the War On Tylenol: https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-trolled-mercilessly-after-giving-quack-medical-advice-on-tylenol-and-vaccines/

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4332046-the-memo-hunter-biden-goes-on-the-offense-against-gop-tormentors/amp/ In response to Congress’ subpoena, Hunter Biden has agreed to testify, but only if it’s public so that the American people can see it and the House members can’t manipulate his testimony. Naturally Republicans refuse. “This won’t stand” says Comer. Once again the House Republicans look ridiculous.

The old Israel Gaza thread seems to be missing (in any case I can’t find it) so I started a new one. Apologies if I missed it. In any case: 1. I believe the current Israeli government is guilty of genocide in their systemic, deliberate starvation of the Palestinian people in Gaza. 2. I support the Israeli government doing an about face here and, as of today, allowing humanitarian aid in. This will save lives. Point #2 is a big part of the reason I continue to support Israel and see them as good guys. Good countries, including the United States, have committed bad acts. We have committed genocide ourselves in the past. The difference is when we do bad stuff we try to to fix it, we acknowledge our mistakes and wrongdoings, we try to make amends. My right wing friends think Israel can do no wrong. My left wing friends think Israel is evil. Both are wrong. Hamas is evil. Israel is a good country who sometimes does bad things. That being said, Netanyahu is a bad man who needs to be removed from office and probably charged with war crimes.

If they’re not violent criminals wouldn’t bother me at all.