The Real timschochet

Mouth running about what?

That was 12 years ago. If FBG allowed me to post about politics I wouldn’t be posting here. While there ARE a few smart people here, there are also far too many people like yourself who offer nothing of value. That makes it far less fun to post here.

https://theconversation.com/kilmar-abrego-garcias-wrongful-deportation-case-is-more-about-individual-rights-than-the-trump-administrations-foreign-policy-255067 Here is an article that appears to buttress my arguments about due process. I found this AFTER I replied to @Engorgeous George.

You’re right though. I don’t think that lawful gun owners should be unnecessarily burdened because of the actions of a few people. I do favor some gun regulations but not any that would burden lawful gun owners.

Sure; here is my simple layman’s understanding. When the state arrests or detains anyone in this country that person has the right to go before a judge and argue as to why he or she should not be detained. There are no exceptions to this rule (both Lincoln and FDR claimed exception during time of war but I believe they were wrong.) Hows that? So far as I know the Supreme Court agrees with me (at least, they do in the case of Abrego Garcia, is my understanding). Please forgive me if I missed anything important- I didn’t find that somewhere or copy or paste anything- that is my own understanding in my own words. ETA as to the specifics you asked me to include, I don’t know. I’m sure there are different levels of due process but I don’t know the specifics off the top of my head. In this case (Abrego Garcia) it’s pretty simple, at least to me- prior to his deportation he had the right to go before a judge and argue as to why he should not have been deported. He was not afforded that right.

They should have been. I would not have let anyone in without that requirement. If that happened it’s up to the Biden folks to explain not me.

Of course I would; but it’s far more suspect now.

That isn’t clear. Sorry.

You didn’t prove me wrong. Your source (ICE) is highly suspect; they are proven, known liars and thugs, the American version of the Gestapo.

There is certainly an idiot involved in this conversation but you have the wrong guy.

No they didn’t. You keep repeating this lie. But that’s typical of you.

And as far as this facility housing only violent felons, if that is the claim, that is also being disputed.

Your first sentence made me laugh. Actually your whole post made me laugh. To correct you: I wrote that it’s OK to break an immoral law in EXTREME circumstances only. Like hiding an escaped slave in your cellar. Or hiding a Jew during the Holocaust, etc. Trespassing to stage a publicized protest is not an extreme circumstance. Therefore despite my sympathy with these folks it was correct to arrest them if they truly did trespass (they claim they didn’t.)

In this instance I’m concerned about due process.

You say goodbye and I say hello. Hello hello! I don’t know why you say goodbye I say hello.

I certainly have. I voted for Joe Biden and many others who have done so. I don’t agree with it in most cases however. But I’m not a one issue voter.

Breaking into my house would make him a violent felon. So no it wouldn’t be immoral to arrest him.

What does this have to do with the millions of undocumented people here who DON’T commit violent felonies?

I wasn’t good with that. I am not and have never been good with people crossing the border illegally.

No. Not because I deem it so. Because arresting and deporting people who are not violent felons is, by any standard, an immoral act, regardless of what you or I think. And yes there are exceptions to the law. I just offered slavery, that was the point that abolitionists made.

Libertarians don’t believe in a lawless society. Public health and safety MUST override individual liberties.

And even though it was correct to arrest them, it’s politically a really stupid move. The public has moved away from the Trump folks on this issue because Trump has overreached. Arresting a mayor is not a good look.

If they were asked to leave and refused to do so then it was right to arrest them. I’m still sympathetic to them though. They’re on the right side.

I can’t approve of breaking the law (if that’s what actually happened.) But their cause is just and moral. As the great abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said, there is a higher law than the Constitution.

Did they actually trespass or break any laws?