The Real timschochet

I don’t know that Trump failed here. Sure it looks like we didn’t eliminate the program completely. But maybe the aggressiveness of the action will bring Iran to the negotiating table. That’s the hope. Even if this happens critics will point out that if Trump hadn’t killed Obama’s deal none of this would have been necessary in the first place. And that very well may be true. But for me there’s no point in looking backwards. When assessing any action you’ve got to ask only if it makes sense at the time it happens.

Look we’ve had these arguments many times before, you guys know my position, I know yours. No point in trying to tell me they’re all criminals like @WhiteWonder just did. I don’t agree, I’m never going to agree so there you go. Most of you here have what I regard as the MAGA position on this issue, I don’t believe you represent the majority. I think the majority voted for you guys because Biden appeared to be out of control in the other direction and most people DO want some control on our borders. But not mass deportation of non-violent people. Anyhow we will find out in future elections.

The polls do NOT suggest that “overwhelmingly this country wants undocumented immigrants out.” Recent polls have suggested quite the opposite. I believe that eventually I will get what I want.

I don’t think that this is the sort of thing you can know about a leader until they’re in that position. So I don’t know for sure how Kamala would have handled it, but I believe she would have been fine.

For me it’s pretty simple: if they live productive lives here, obey our laws once here, and contribute in general to the nations well being (and I’m convinced most of them do) then I’m willing to overlook the crime of coming here illegally.

No I agree with you to some extent. When I wrote that we need to elect people who are opposed to mass deportation, I wasn’t necessarily referring to Democrats. Plenty of “Chamber of Commerce” Republicans are opposed as well. We need to elect Democrats AND Republicans who will commit themselves to a reform of our immigration program that will include a Pathway to Citizenship for most NONVIOLENT undocumented immigrants already here.

But they had changed the level of enrichment right?

He had MY full support until he wrote that Kamala would not have had the courage or fortitude to attack Iran. I don’t believe that. But I agree with him on the rest.

Thank you.

Those opposed to mass deportation, such as myself, need to realize that we’re not going to win this issue in the courts. We can slow it down some but the results are unpredictable and who knows? In the matter of existing law Trump and the conservative judges may be right. I personally certainly don’t know enough law to argue against. And we can’t stop them with protests either. Large protests are fine, so long as they are peaceful but they don’t really accomplish much. And when they turn violent they actually work against the cause at hand. The only way to defeat mass deportation is to elect enough people who are opposed to it to stop it. Thats it.

So long as Trump is President, minute by minute updates are the best we’re going to get. As I’ve pointed out several times he’s whimsical, spur of the moment, looks at everything through a narcissistic lens, and is transactional. There is no strategy, no long term plan. In most issues (particularly, these days, tariffs and immigration) I find this to be extremely problematic and wish strongly for a different President, practically any other President. But in THIS issue of Israel and Iran, in real time, it might work. I’m rooting in that direction anyhow.

Of course. But if Netanyahu backs off this is kind of a minor issue.

Israel has agreed to call off the retaliatory strike. So Trump was effective. Again I can’t complain about this.

He’s not begging. He’s demanding. And it’s good news. I can’t really complain about how Trump is handling this. It’s whimsical as always (he’s not playing 3d chess or any kind of chess) but in this situation it makes sense what he’s doing.

Thank you. Can you provide the link please?

What is your source for this please?

YOU are. But a lot of idiots took this seriously.

Any ceasefire is good news. But what we really need is regime change in Iran. And it has to come from within.

You think that’s being a man? You’re as immature as he is.

Further reporting from the NYT: the “2 week thing” was a deception created by the Pentagon who was afraid that Trump was going around bragging about the attack to his Fox buddies and they were concerned it would get out to the Iranians. So they convinced Trump it would be sneaky for him to say 2 weeks and then attack in a few days. He loved the idea. JFC. He’s like a child in there.

Trump just publicly trolled Iran for warning the USA in advance. It’s one thing for the New York Times to report that Iran did this. Then everyone can deny and it stays unofficial. For Trump to do it- that’s publicly shaming Iran and it seems extremely stupid to me. Now if I was Iran I would feel compelled to strike again and escalate things further. Not saying they will but Trump continuing to act like an idiot is not helping.

Obama was correct to chicken out there, don’t you agree?

Iran is much like Japan or Germany before 1945. Their potential is enormous. When they ever get rid of this murderous regime they will become one of the great economic powers of the world. They have way more resources than oil. Saudi Arabia knows this and is intensely jealous of Iran. The Saudis have one thing: oil, and when that’s no longer valuable they revert back to the desert wasteland they were before. The Saudis will do everything in their power to keep us at odds with Iran and hooked on oil.

This is correct. But I honestly don’t know what else we should be negotiating with the current Iranian regime. For years we have offered the same thing: end your nuclear enrichment, end your support of terrorist groups around the world, and we’ll open up trade with you in return and make you a prosperous nation again (at great benefit to both sides.) They’ve rejected this over and over. What is there to discuss?

He was relaying that the Iranian parliament voted to authorize Khameini to close it if he wanted to. But that turned out to be for show as well…so far.