The Real timschochet

Almost none will self-deport because no matter how uncomfortable you make them it’s still better to live here than where they came from. You’re a fool if you think otherwise. They’re not leaving.

Yes because structural racism and implicit bias and sexism are not top down affairs planned by a central authority. All of those things are very real and none of them are planned. They just are.

I’m starting to understand you better @RLLD you think the Democratic Party deliberately caused the current immigration mess. You think the MsM deliberately lies to us about tariffs. You think Zelensky is deliberately prolonging the war in order to stay in power. You imagine an ordered world and see schemes everywhere. You think all this stuff is intricately planned by competent people with ulterior motives. Someday you will realize the truth: we don’t live in an Orwellian world, we live in a Kafkaesque world. There is no order; nobody knows what the Fock is going on most of the time, very little is planned at all.

Ah OK. So you’re discussing the fantasies in your head. Got it. There was no Democrat strategy to let people in. There was a surge at the border after Covid died down as a result of the economic instability; the sheer numbers surprised and overwhelmed Biden and the authorities; they didn’t know how to handle it. I doubt Trump would have handled at any better- he would have no doubt been more responsive AND more inhumane but the result would have been the same. There was no plan. Everything that happened was a result of chaos. The rest is your fevered imagination at work. Sorry.

Sorry but your argument is insane! I don’t give a Fock if the other guy suffers ten times as much as I do if I suffer as well. I don’t want to suffer! I gain nothing by suffering. The other flaw in what you wrote is that we have a competing country, China, who can see to it that the other countries don’t suffer at all. We put up a tariff and they’re happy to make a deal with the country we’re trying to punish. It’s already happening with soybeans and other products. It’s exasperating to me that you and others can’t see how dumb this is, how asinine, how it’s going to fock us over. Sure an idiot like @Horseman’s ass cheers it on because he’s a moron who loves anything Trump does. But frankly I expected more from you. I think you’re wrong a lot but at least you try to work things out with logic. There’s no logic here.

Your entire argument seems to be missing the point. We are not discussing lowering existing tariffs (though I wish we were). We are talking about putting up new, much larger draconian tariffs. That is what Trump is doing. If you’re going to defend that then please explain how it benefits us in any way.

This depends on who you read but I have very firm views on this based on the majority of economists I have read. The CATO Institute, a libertarian think tank, has a good summary: https://www.cato.org/blog/smoot-hawley-tariff-great-depression Basically the 1929 Wall Street Crash brought about an economic downturn. But the world would have recovered from that, and quickly, if not for Smoot-Hawley and the trade war that it caused. (This leads to another point that @RLLD ignores: tariffs almost always lead to retaliatory tariffs which leads to trade wars and economic disaster.) The trade war is what caused all the bank failures of 1932-33, which led to the New Deal over here and the Third Reich in Germany.

I don’t know what the strategy is beyond a few acts for show. I’m not sure how long people will be impressed by that. They are right now. But what about a year from now when the net result is (a) less deportations than under Biden and (b) more undocumented people in this country than there are now?? Will you still be impressed by his “strategy”?

You seem to be ignoring the fact, which I’ve now repeated several times, that I don’t get my views on tariffs from the MSM. It happens that they seem to agree with me and with most economists. I already told you that my views on tariffs are core convictions of mine, have been for 35 years, and I told you exactly where I got them.

You guys really have a warped view of liberals that has no basis in reality or history.

@Patented Phil based on your description of what happened here I don’t think there is any evil going on one way or another. Evil does exist but I think we should be careful of using that term, or Nazi. Hamas is evil. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was evil. Pedophiles and rapists are evil. Pol Pot was evil. Charles Manson, etc. Police who arrest an old woman, no matter how misguided it might be, aren’t evil. Those that defend the police who arrested the old woman, however wrong they might be, aren’t evil. Nor are they Nazis. You make these words meaningless when you apply them in this fashion.

This seems awfully extreme.

I didn’t watch the video. I’ve stopped watching videos on the internet. They’re usually edited and I don’t trust them. I read articles from reputable sources; that’s how I get my news.

You’re such a sucker for these performances. Any serious effort to clamp down on employers hiring undocumented workers would cost hundreds of billions of dollars and take resources ICE isn’t close to having. Not to mention that it would gut our economy. It’s never going to happen.

Public opinion per the latest polling remains in favor of deporting non violent undocumented people, 50-48%. However that number is going down. I think it will eventually go into the negatives. I am guessing the public hasn’t really thought this through and once they do they won’t be for doing this.

It’s not a question of balls. It’s a question of the police carrying out the law which they’re obligated to do. What I don’t know is how many warnings they gave her beforehand and what her response to the warnings were. These situations are rarely as black and white as they originally appear. Thats why I wrote seems extreme.

I’m still not sure I do. I don’t really see the parallel to the BLM protests. Most of those protests started off as parades down wide streets or boulevards. Black Lives Matter, or whoever the organizing group was, had to get a permit long beforehand. If no permit was had, the protest was broken up and that was proper. Late in the evening, long after all the BLM people went home, thugs would emerge who would burn or loot. Those that were caught were arrested. This was also proper. In this situation it seems reasonable to me that there needs to be some regulation regarding protests. If someone breaks that regulation then the police has no choice but to arrest them; that doesn’t make them Nazis and your use of that term is unfortunate IMO. That being said, it also seems unreasonable to make a silent vigil that is several hundred feet away from the clinic illegal.

I just read that Zelensky was installed and that somebody else was calling the shots? A question for any sane people reading these posts: do you guys think @League Champion and @Hardcore troubadour are trolling? Or do they really believe this stuff?

I’m afraid I don’t understand. Who installed Zelensky? Who is calling the shots?

You wrote the other day that you plan to recoup your losses of $50,000 from the Super Bowl here. Will this be on one wager?

@Patented Phil I agree this arrest seems extreme. On the other hand you would hopefully agree that there needs to be SOME kind of laws regulating protests, right? What should those be, in your opinion?

It’s not bad news when the public disagrees with him. Hopefully that will force him to change some of his positions. That is in keeping with my hopes.

I don’t know who Daulton is. But yes anyone who uses that word deserves condemnation IMO. It doesn’t change what you wrote.

I don’t know what to tell you. I suppose, to be quite exact I should argue that, per economists, tariffs raise prices for consumers, which is not precisely the same as inflation. (This may be where you’re getting your argument.) But the net effect is the same. It might be simpler, and more exact, to say that tariffs cause economic misery. The amount of the misery is always tied to the amount of the tariffs. Trump’s current tariffs are the largest for this country since Smoot-Harley, which most economists believe brought on the Great Depression. Those are the facts, the rest is up to you.

So suddenly Karen Bass’ opinion is of value to you? Lololol. She’s right. Trump has done a good job with this. My family is very impressed with the speed of what’s happening. Of course they were always Trump fans anyhow so they’re eager to comment on this. It doesn’t excuse his asinine decision to release the water supply in central California, which did nothing to help the fires and is hurting farmers: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/20/what-are-levees-trump-california That’s going to cost us plenty.