The Real timschochet

They didn’t give Trump a mandate. They wanted him to control the border. He’s gone too far. Now they want him to pull back.

Here are the facts for you: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/

Wrong. Only one third of Americans believe that non violent criminals should be deported, and that number is shrinking: https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/ Only about 6 months ago, nearly 80% of Republicans believed that anyone here illegally should be deported. Now that they’ve seen how that’s actually working out, only 54% of Republicans support this. “My kind” as you call it isn’t getting pushed aside, we’re starting to dominate the conversation.

Yes it is required. The Bill of Rights was written for all people currently in this country not just citizens.

The system is designed to make mistakes.

If the parents aren’t violent criminals they shouldn’t be deported. If the parents are violent criminals the children should be removed from them and put up for American adoption. Either way they should NEVER be deported.

I have no idea. How is that relevant?

Anyone who is held against their will by the government gets due process, at the very least a hearing before a judge. Full stop. Doesn’t matter who you are. American citizens, non-American citizens. If you don’t believe in this you don’t believe in the Bill of Rights.

ICE arrests and deports 3 children, 2, 4 and 7. All turned out to be American citizens. They were held incommunicado before deportation, neither parents nor attorneys were allowed to talk to them: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/ice-deports-3-u-s-citizen-children-held-incommunicado-prior-to-the-deportation These are the violent criminals that you guys are complaining about. Now do you understand why I think ICE is a bunch of thugs? Screw them.

He was being arraigned, he hadn’t yet been found guilty.

You’re making up sh!t again. Show me where I’ve ever defended a violent undocumented person or called for violence.

Nope wrong. And FWIW I think this dude probably deserves to be deported, it sounds like he’s violent. But not before due process and a trial. And you guys want the judge to go to jail; fat chance.

I mean let’s face it, under the last three Presidents ICE has been a bunch of thugs. Trump is only partly to blame, Biden and Obama deserve blame as well. We’ve let them arrest and deport innocent people, sometimes without due process. (And yes even jf they came here illegally so long as they don’t commit violent crimes they’re innocent, sorry about that.) I hate it. I used to think I was in the minority (I certainly am in this forum). But those who think like me are growing in number. That makes me happy.

Yeah sure, Civil War. Because we don’t want to round up and deport people who aren’t PROVEN VIOLENT CRIMINALS. Sorry about that.

Here’s what’s really scary: https://www.npr.org/2024/12/30/nx-s1-5230801/qanon-capitol-riot-social-media Almost 19% of Americans believe in this stuff. That’s over 60 million people.

Enough about politics. This is my favorite genre of music:

Don’t we all?

It hasn’t changed at all.

Also, there is no federal protection for gay people from being fired, isn’t that what you meant? I find it hilarious that @EternalShinyAndChrome would call you out for getting anything wrong since his facts are wrong almost 99% of the time.

She will not be disbarred. She will not serve any jail time. This is all a big show. People will continue to resist ICE (as they should, bunch of thugs.)

Well in the 1840s and 50s we arrested plenty of abolitionists too for similar “crimes”. Lately there has been a change in public opinion about this entire issue. I hope that continues here.

Sarcasm? It can’t be anything else, unless you’re a complete moron (I suppose I shouldn’t discount that possibility…)

Great. They don’t want to punish their consumers. Works for me. When are you going to acknowledge that this whole thing has been a disaster, and that to this point the only reason that the stock market has be completely crashed is that they still believe that ultimately Trump will back down?

It makes me a little nervous to find myself on the same side with @Horseman about anything…but he’s right.

Similar arguments were made when we sent a man to the moon. I want to stop you at your sentence “we would have to create”- you’re correct. We will have to create a whole LOT of new technology to send a man to Mars. And that new technology will serve us in uncounted ways. Anyhow it’s next.