The Real timschochet

I get frustrated arguing about this with @jerryskids. He is a likable guy, a good guy, and I wish the best for him and his health situation especially. But he, and a few others here, have what I regard as blinders when it comes to Islam (and also with regard to transgender people for every different reasons.) There is a collectivized attitude which I find wholly at odds with traditional conservatism.

Somewhat unfortunately, liberals don’t spend all their time trying to troll conservatives the way conservatives do liberals. But how hilarious and awesome this would be if it was actually true.

You HAVE gotten answers to these questions because I’ve given you them. I’m out of time this morning so I won’t give them again but I’ve explained to you in the past very specifically what Israel should have done differently and how some of their current actions could very well be considered crimes against humanity.

lol this is just total bullsh!t.

What I wrote in response to you was almost an exact quote from an AI generated response to the question “Did Jenny Durkin support CHAZ.”? And the answer is pretty clear: once it turned violent she did not. I would call her response, based on what I’m reading, weak and inept. But that’s not what you wrote nor implied. Incompetence is far different from ideological endorsement which is what you and others inferred.

Allowing something to happen is not a “tacit endorsement”, ever. Also even the extreme example you quoted didn’t endorse violence. Jerry, if your original comment had been something like “I am concerned that leftist elements within the Democratic Party are too tolerant sometimes of people that either commit violence or endorse violence,” I never would have started this. I might have taken issue with a few specifics but in general I would have agreed with such an analysis. But when you and @RLLD and others make blanket statements like “Democrats support violence”, “Democrats support Antifa”, “Democrats support Hamas”, etc, etc, that is when I have to take strong issue because it’s bullsh!t.

In both cases all I ask for is an accurate interpretation. In both cases you offer the opposite.

None of this is true. Harris was referring to peaceful protesters and she worked to bail out peaceful protestors who were wrongfully arrested.

It took me two seconds to look this up: what you’re quoting is her initial comments when she thought what was going on had a peaceful, “block party” atmosphere. She very quickly corrected herself. When violence and damage to property occurred she declared the whole thing unlawful and had the police disperse it. So once again you misrepresent.

I didn’t duck it. I questioned the accuracy mainly because most undocumented people from counties like Iran arrive here legally and overstay their visas so the fact that a few thousand came over via the border surprised me. I strongly believe the vast majority of people who come here without legal papers, including Iranians, do so seeking a better life for themselves and their families and their presence here is almost always a positive for us. That’s been my position on this for years and it’s unchanged.

My research tells me that your statements here are really vague and filled with misrepresentations of what exactly happened in 2020. That’s why I asked for specifics which you failed to provide.

Do whatever they want? OK let’s get specific again. Please cite the Democratic leader, be it a mayor, congressman, Senator, governor, or leading Democratic spokesperson, who during the summer of 2020 endorsed violence or violent activity or criminal behavior or Antifa. Thanks.

You’re attempting to back up your false claims with generalities and the more specific questions I ask you the more general you get. But I will try again. Let’s refer to this post. You wrote that the left defends terrorists. Which terrorist? When? You wrote that there is support for Hamas on college campuses. Please provide an example of a major campus student leader or teacher saying “I support Hamas!” Or “I support what Hamas did on Oct 7.” Not criticism of Israel, not “from the river to sea” which can have more than one meaning but SPECIFICALLY support for Hamas. I’ll wait.

No I don’t. Why don’t you respond to what I actually write for once?

What actions by the Democratic Party indicate support for Antifa?

Wrong. I have a very good idea of what America wants on this issue because there is plenty of polling about it. Here is one of several: https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2025/06/13/ice-deportations-immigration-raids-poll/84186426007/ If you agree with what ICE is doing only about one third of the country thinks as you do. That doesn’t make you wrong (though it’s clear to me you are.) But it does put in the minority.

Not at all. Ignorance, bigotry and intolerance of Islam is still very high in this country (this thread is a good anecdotal example.) A Muslim mayor of our largest city would fight against that. This is why identity politics continues to be important in this country and for the most part a positive good.

You wrote: “what better way to score social points that to support Hamas?” That makes no sense but putting that aside, do you mean that young woke Jews support Hamas? Or Mandami supports Hamas? Neither would be true at all but I’m confused by your meaning here.

I don’t know about the debate. But I just posted his exact words on the issue. I would think this would take precedence.

I was referring to his claim that Democrats are accepting of Antifa, or support Antifa, or are tolerant of Antifa (whatever- it keeps changing but it’s the same inference each time.)

I really don’t think they’re paying too much attention to his policies. My judgment this morning is that people want fighters who will stand up to Donald Trump. Cuomo feels like another Schumer: weak. Voters want tough minded opposition. If that comes from the progressive left so be it.

So there is video showing they are lying, they’ve been caught lying numerous times before, and you believe them anyhow. What does that say about you?

Thats a lie. Here is an interview with Madami recognizing the State of Israel and its right to exist: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook-pm/2025/04/17/q-a-zohran-mamdani-on-israel-hamas-palestine-war-bds-00297639 So yes you’re going to have to go further and shoe some actual evidence. Evidence means statements of support for Hamas, violence, terrorism. I’m not seeing it.

Before we have this discussion let’s start with the first point: please provide evidence that Mamdami supports Hamas.

You’ve made this claim for months now and never one provided a scintilla of evidence to back it up. You also claim Democrats are “accepting” of Hamas and other terrorist groups whatever that means without providing evidence. You’re just making sh!t up.