The Real timschochet

Yeah but certain people on the right loved using Alinsky as a bogeyman for years, the same way they use George Soros now. Hmm do Alinsky and Soros have anything in common?

He’s also missing a main point here. Many people, including Hillary Clinton, admired Alinsky’s methods of community organizing, which were at the time new and very innovative. That had nothing to do with his ideology. It’s akin to someone who studies warfare admiring Erwin Rommel or Robert E Lee. That doesn’t make you a Nazi or in favor of slavery.

You know very well that this isn’t being done by “Republicans”, it’s extremist wackos who are most likely right-wing. Don’t behave like @HellToupee would if it was left-wing wackos.

From 2006: “Cheneys donate millions in charity.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2006/04/18/cheneys-donate-millions-in-charity-span-classbankheadscholarship-fund-heart-center-benefitspan/3643c114-7ad5-4aed-afcc-6f096d03f4dd/ He helped out a lot of people, especially in his native state of Wyoming. I don’t think that’s POS behavior. I think he was wrong about the Iraq War. When people like me said so at the time many of the same folks who now support Donald Trump called us unpatriotic. Nowadays they pretend to have never supported it. 20 years from now they will pretend to have never supported Trump either.

It’s crap anyhow. I don’t know what he’s quoting exactly but when I helped a family do this all sorts of documents, including photo IDs, WERE required.

No attempt to troll. I offered an honest opinion. He was a fascinating guy, and I think he was a patriot. I brought up his daughter because I admire her. I think your thread title is pretty classless.

Classy posts. A controversial person for sure. I don’t think he was an evil man. I also believe he was a patriot. His daughter is one as well.

This exact same argument has been made in the past 150 years regarding about a dozen Latin American countries that we have meddled in militarily or otherwise. How has it worked out?

If you watched the show Enlightened on HBO (highly recommended; by the same guy who wrote White Lotus) she played Laura Dern’s mom (she’s her mom in real life.)

You mean that my opinion often agrees with the facts? Yeah that’s probably right,

I did understand the point he was making. But the accusation is dumb and pretty offensive regardless. I was pretty bitter after last year’s election. I wrote some things about the media I shouldn’t have. Deep down I don’t believe the mainstream media is biased. But they made some mistakes for sure and I behaved like it was deliberate. I acted like a petulant child. In short I behaved like a conservative. Conservatives are the ones who always blame the media when real life doesn’t go the way they want. I succumbed to that weakness for a short time; I will try not to do so again.

Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/ Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe? Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it.

Actually I’m not excited about Jones. I predict he will win but there’s no excitement there. If I lived there I think I would abstain on voting for him. If you’re going to accuse me of such an awful thing as voting for someone who wishes for the death of children, you’ll have to come up with some examples. (And that might be difficult because I’m having trouble coming up with an example on either side.)

Care to offer an example of when I’ve done this?

This is why the Republican efforts to paint him as some sort of evil villain who loves Communism and Hamas isn’t working. If you’ve ever listened to an interview he comes across as a down to Earth pretty decent guy.

WTF?

Well Trump said the other day that nobody’s ever seen the amount of popularity he has had after 10 months of being President. Turns out he’s right,

Thank you for posting the full quote which includes the sentence “I don’t approve of such behavior”, which @Strike very deliberately always leaves out so that he can claim I wrote that I was OK with it, so that he can claim that I am or was a pedophile myself. I was never good with such behavior. At the time I didn’t think it deserved life long condemnation, but I didn’t have the facts right.

Fine with me. I’m betting it’s fine with almost everyone else reading this too.

Because I’ve changed my mind about that and because I was responding to @strike’s absolutist argument.

I never asked you about law, I asked if it was the same crime IN YOUR EYES and if the punishment should in your opinion be the same?

No. At the time I argued that it should not be a serious crime to have sex with a 13 year old, I never wrote that it was OK and I’m not going to admit to that now because I didn’t think so at the time. I didn’t think it was a serious crime worthy of prison. Now I do. I really don’t care if it’s good enough for you or not, I wrote that to explain your actions not mine.

I’d be willing to discuss it at length with you if you truly want to have a serious discussion about it. It’s a complicated issue, I both agree and disagree with Raiders’ statement. That would take some time to explain.

1. A man jumps out of the bushes, attacks an old lady, and rapes her. 2. A 22 year old man has willing sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. Are these the same crime in your eyes? Should there be no difference in punishment?

Not OK. Never OK, and I didn’t think so at the time. However I also didn’t think it was worthy of a prison sentence. Now I do, I’ve changed my mind about that. If you think my earlier position was immoral so be it.