The Real timschochet

Just these comments alone, without any action to back them up, are going to cause violence and possibly terrorist attacks against the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing Among other things, our President of the United States is happily proposing a war crime in real time. Not since Andrew Jackson and “the Trail of Tears”…

I’m sure the “relocation” of the Palestinians will be a smooth, happy affair.

Not really. I feel the same way that I feel about all of Trump’s other underlings- Trump is the worst. Whoever he has do stuff for him couldn’t possibly be as bad as Trump himself. It’s already as bad as it’s going to get.

Eager to here from all those who voted for Trump because they wanted us to pull out of world commitments….

Catch and release is still going on despite what they’re telling you: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-already-released-immigrants-161222261.html This is all a show.

I was also joking. I’ve offered my serious opinion on why Trump won and that wasn’t it. But he set me up perfectly.

No. And you have hit the head on one of the main issues I have with the current group of people who call themselves conservatives. You guys aren’t racist (mostly; there are some exceptions) but you think these issues ended with Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Act. They haven’t.

You have pretty much described how he just got elected.

Some of her facts are wrong. Her anger is right. Her distrust of white people, and our arguments, is well warranted.

What will happen? What always happens. Trump and the folks that support him will take no responsibility, and find someone or something else to blame: it was caused by DEI or trannies or an undocumented immigrant, take your pick, there’s plenty of choices. If the disaster is severe it will help the Democrats come into power again, and they will restore the EPA and all the other agencies. And then pretty soon there will be overreach and too much red tape and conservatives will start complaining again and then a few years later the public having forgotten all about the disaster will elect conservatives again who will promptly begin deregulating and the whole thing will start over again.

Thats all right. She’s entitled. She has a right to be pissed off.

I’m certainly not a fan of either Trump or Musk, but I haven’t been offered a compelling reason as to why I should care about this.

Many people here think so. But given the views of the ones that do, I actually find it kind of flattering. So thank you.

I’m going to give you the same answer I gave the MAGA folks: it’s a lot more complicated. Just like @Strike on the opposite side from you on this, you’re trying to simplify things. For example: contrary to what you implied in your post, black people in South Africa weren’t there before the white people showed up. They came there AFTER the white people. Prior to the 1700s the furthest south black tribes traveled was to Zimbabwe, well north of the South African border. So this notion that the land was stolen from them isn’t true. (It was stolen from the bushmen who don’t exist anymore.)

Trump would say “I made a deal with Mexico and Canada!”

I didn’t say they didn’t send them. I said that they’ve sent them before, were planning to send them anyhow, and would have been willing to send a lot more. It was a meaningless offer and Trump grabbed it, because he was looking for a way out. It wasn’t an achievement.

I can’t speak for anyone else but for me that’s an easy answer: because I believe the two most important keys to bringing prices down are global stability and free trade, and currently the Democratic Party is much more about pursuing these two items than the Republican Party. It didn’t used to be that way but it’s that way now. Combine these two items to the fact that undocumented immigrants to this country also help keep prices low, and currently the Republicans are all about trying to get rid of undocumented immigrants, then it’s a pretty easy choice as to whom I prefer on this issue.

Your position isn’t unreasonable. The problem is that Trump is pursuing policies that are almost guaranteed to make prices higher, not lower.

I’m saying that he gained nothing. Trump surrendered.

If we’re talking about the MAGA folks I agree. But most of those who voted for Trump, IMO, are not MAGA types; they just figured (wrongly IMO) that he’d do a better job bringing down prices and getting the border under control. These are reasonable folks; I just think they’re wrong. No doubt they think I’m wrong. In the next election some will vote for Republicans again, and some for Democrats. I just want to get through the next four years without too much suffering.

One of the very few instances in my life where I saw the TV show or movie first, then read the books, and the books didn’t live up to the show. DNF

OK. Please explain the reasonable terms that Trump got from Mexico and Canada, which were not agreed to by those countries before the tariffs.

I kind of look upon Trump as if my sports team just hired a coach I can’t stand and want fired. I’m still going to go to the games and root for the team, even though I know that a losing streak would ensure the coach getting axed. Because it’s my team.

I’m not going to rip you the way these other guys are (because most of them are horrible hypocrites who were positively gleeful whenever anything went wrong for President Biden). But I do strongly disagree with you. I also want Trump to fail to carry through most of his ideas, but I don’t want this country to suffer even for the moment as a result; that’s not worth it to me. Yesterday was the perfect outcome: Trump tries out his horrible tariff plan, gets pushback from the other countries and the stock market, Trump backs off before anyone is seriously harmed. All good.