The Real timschochet

I mean let’s face it, under the last three Presidents ICE has been a bunch of thugs. Trump is only partly to blame, Biden and Obama deserve blame as well. We’ve let them arrest and deport innocent people, sometimes without due process. (And yes even jf they came here illegally so long as they don’t commit violent crimes they’re innocent, sorry about that.) I hate it. I used to think I was in the minority (I certainly am in this forum). But those who think like me are growing in number. That makes me happy.

Yeah sure, Civil War. Because we don’t want to round up and deport people who aren’t PROVEN VIOLENT CRIMINALS. Sorry about that.

Here’s what’s really scary: https://www.npr.org/2024/12/30/nx-s1-5230801/qanon-capitol-riot-social-media Almost 19% of Americans believe in this stuff. That’s over 60 million people.

Enough about politics. This is my favorite genre of music:

Don’t we all?

It hasn’t changed at all.

Also, there is no federal protection for gay people from being fired, isn’t that what you meant? I find it hilarious that @EternalShinyAndChrome would call you out for getting anything wrong since his facts are wrong almost 99% of the time.

She will not be disbarred. She will not serve any jail time. This is all a big show. People will continue to resist ICE (as they should, bunch of thugs.)

Well in the 1840s and 50s we arrested plenty of abolitionists too for similar “crimes”. Lately there has been a change in public opinion about this entire issue. I hope that continues here.

Sarcasm? It can’t be anything else, unless you’re a complete moron (I suppose I shouldn’t discount that possibility…)

Great. They don’t want to punish their consumers. Works for me. When are you going to acknowledge that this whole thing has been a disaster, and that to this point the only reason that the stock market has be completely crashed is that they still believe that ultimately Trump will back down?

It makes me a little nervous to find myself on the same side with @Horseman about anything…but he’s right.

Similar arguments were made when we sent a man to the moon. I want to stop you at your sentence “we would have to create”- you’re correct. We will have to create a whole LOT of new technology to send a man to Mars. And that new technology will serve us in uncounted ways. Anyhow it’s next.

Yes we’re multiplying like flies. You’ll be astonished, come next election time, just how many people have become idiot liberals in this country.

Very short-sided.

SDS at play here. I stopped reading after the first two claims who.g were already bogus.

To the contrary: the legislation was necessary and now you’re seeing why. People being arrested without due process. The courts correctly overturning much of what he’s attempting. You may be content with this chaotic mess but the public is not.

Russia too, “Vladimir, STOP!”

I really don’t care that he got the math wrong. I’m focusing on his overall point.

I disagree with Elon Musk all the time. I think the whole Doge thing has been awful, and I also believe he has been dishonest in his approach to it. I suspect he may be a racist as well and I don’t like him. But that being said he’s right about Mars. We absolutely should have gone there by now, over 50 years since we landed on the moon. We’ve been very short-sided about this.

OK we disagree. it’s just a discussion anyhow. There is not enough public support for my idea for it ever to come true. The public by and large agrees with you, and Trump, that these folks should pay what’s due without any forgiveness. I get that. I wish it were otherwise but it is what it is.

If you guys are worried about non-payment issues I would be willing to restrict this offer to those who have made regular payments on their student loans for several years, in order to keep the deadbeats out of it.

They were being asked to pay for something they had received and enjoyed in the past, but was finished. Now they would be asked to pay for something they’re getting now and enjoying now. If you study how people pay and when they get into trouble you know that this represents a HUGE difference. Also the trouble for most of these folks wasn’t that they couldn’t afford the payments, it was that while they made them they couldn’t afford anything else. (Like purchasing a home.)

OK. You’ve obviously read my arguments. Why am I wrong?

Again, just to correct you slightly- I want the loan forgiveness tied directly into a first mortgage on home purchase program: the NAR plan. I’m not simply talking about them being free to spend it on whatever.