The Real timschochet

Hey @Hardcore troubadour earlier today you suggested that we should just trust ICE and DHS to know what they’re doing, who needs a court hearing right? Check out this story: https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-born-man-held-for-ice-under-floridas-new-anti-immigration-law/ Here we have an American citizen with a birth certificate seized by ICE and detained for days. Oops. Does this bother you at all?

Yeah. Trying a little too hard

It’s disputed whether or not he’s a gang member. Like you I think he probably is but it’s not proven, and there’s at least plausible evidence to think otherwise. I don’t know what the rules should be for political asylum. It’s worth having a reasonable discussion about. I’m not particularly sympathetic to this particular guy’s case based on what has been reported. But he deserves to make his case. I’m much more sympathetic to the plight of Afghan refugees who assisted our military, in part because I’m personally involved. And I am extremely angry at the Trump administration for shutting down their passage here. In my mind it’s the most awful thing they have done and I’ve yet to hear any kind of defense for it.

Hmm. I dunno man. @Cdub100 is definitely for real, but you…let’s just say I’m starting to have my doubts. You try just a little bit too hard.

Except for you. You spend a lot of time replying to my posts so I can only gather that what I think must mean a lot to you.

I have never reported anyone for posting about my wife. Only for posting personal information. @Horseman is somebody who spends a lot of time trashing other people and their families. Much like yourself. I think he can take it.

Except that our courts ordered his return and we have no legal evidence that he is any of the things you named.

I couldn’t say, I’m not familiar with your family.

Only a day ago you accused the Florida shooter of being trans and a liberal (it turns out he was MAGA and white supremacist- go figure!) Perhaps as an alternative to your plan, we should deport deliberate spreaders of false information?

Only to you. And let’s just say that your acceptance of “plausibility” is significantly larger than most other people. Actually “gullibility” is probably more apt.

Yeah I’m beginning to be of the opinion that this Abrego character is not such a good guy. At the very least he is not the saint that some on the left are trying to paint him to be. I don’t know for sure; like you I’m only going on what is reported. But it doesn’t matter. I want him returned because he didn’t receive due process. It’s pretty simple.

In this instance the difference between myself and @avoiding injuries is not one of opinion.

No I don’t. If the state arrests or detains a person by force against their will it must show cause before a court of law to justify doing so. There are NO EXCEPTIONS. Thats our system, and its a good system, and I don’t wish to get rid of it, not for expedience, not because the people at DHS are “capable”, not for any reason. ETA this isn’t liberalism, it’s conservatism. It’s actually a CORE principle of conservatism going back to Burke. I’m amazed that modern day so-called conservatives seem willing to give it up.

Not without a court hearing to establish that they’re actually here illegally. After that yes so long as it’s in this country and they receive humane treatment.

This is simply wrong in some parts, misleading in others. 1. The public does NOT support Trump’s methods, especially deportation without due process and rounding up non-violent criminals. In fact it’s going 80-20 the other way. 2. Liberals oppose defunding the police nearly 80-20 as well. 3. Depends on the specifics. 4. Not an issue that most people care about. 5. Probably true but as the economy continues to crater nobody will give a damn. 6. Depends on the specific. 7. Like #1, simply wrong on this one. As you will discover the next time there is an election.

Every person that is rounded up should get due process and a court hearing before being deported, as the law demands. Do you agree with this?

This is what I want: in keeping with the law, President Trump should do everything in his power, within reason, to bring this guy back to get the court hearing that he was due. This means publicly asking El Salvador to release and return him. Further it means threatening to cut off money to El Salvador if they refuse. If El Salvador still refuses after that, then it’s over; we did everything we could. Are you good with this?

Not your choice sparky.The law is the law.

Damn me too.

Doesn’t matter. He needs to come back.

Also since it’s @Frozenbeernuts who started this thread, what role do the Jews play in all of this?

Are you Q guys still into the whole “JFK Jr. is still alive” thing? Or have you moved on from that? And I thought that the moment Trump got re-elected he was going to prosecute Pizzagate? Why didn’t that happen?

Almost 100% guaranteed you have Jewish and black ancestors you are unaware of.

I give him credit for talking Israel out of attacking Iran if true. Also for a few other things I liked. But on the whole it’s been a really awful first 100 days. He keeps attempting to violate the Constitution. The cuts don’t make any sense for the most part and will save us very little money. He has made the war in Ukraine worse, not better. Done nothing to lower prices. Made bitter enemies of most of our allies. And of course the tariffs will bring us nothing but pain; that is coming soon no matter what he does now; it’s already too late. Overall he has been an unmitigated disaster.

Almost 100% guaranteed you have Jewish and black ancestors that you are unaware of.