The Real timschochet

Thank you. Can you provide the link please?

What is your source for this please?

YOU are. But a lot of idiots took this seriously.

Any ceasefire is good news. But what we really need is regime change in Iran. And it has to come from within.

You think that’s being a man? You’re as immature as he is.

Further reporting from the NYT: the “2 week thing” was a deception created by the Pentagon who was afraid that Trump was going around bragging about the attack to his Fox buddies and they were concerned it would get out to the Iranians. So they convinced Trump it would be sneaky for him to say 2 weeks and then attack in a few days. He loved the idea. JFC. He’s like a child in there.

Trump just publicly trolled Iran for warning the USA in advance. It’s one thing for the New York Times to report that Iran did this. Then everyone can deny and it stays unofficial. For Trump to do it- that’s publicly shaming Iran and it seems extremely stupid to me. Now if I was Iran I would feel compelled to strike again and escalate things further. Not saying they will but Trump continuing to act like an idiot is not helping.

Obama was correct to chicken out there, don’t you agree?

Iran is much like Japan or Germany before 1945. Their potential is enormous. When they ever get rid of this murderous regime they will become one of the great economic powers of the world. They have way more resources than oil. Saudi Arabia knows this and is intensely jealous of Iran. The Saudis have one thing: oil, and when that’s no longer valuable they revert back to the desert wasteland they were before. The Saudis will do everything in their power to keep us at odds with Iran and hooked on oil.

This is correct. But I honestly don’t know what else we should be negotiating with the current Iranian regime. For years we have offered the same thing: end your nuclear enrichment, end your support of terrorist groups around the world, and we’ll open up trade with you in return and make you a prosperous nation again (at great benefit to both sides.) They’ve rejected this over and over. What is there to discuss?

He was relaying that the Iranian parliament voted to authorize Khameini to close it if he wanted to. But that turned out to be for show as well…so far.

Now Trump is in the Situation Room as I write this. Yesterday Trump wrote that ANY retaliation by Iran would be met with “TOTAL DEVASTATION”! But I didn’t believe him. Still don’t. I expect the return of TACO Trump. That’s what we need. Deescalation.

Why do you lie? I said that if they were truly crazy they might do that, and I was concerned about it. But I also wrote it was unlikely. You are one of the biggest liars here.

You just wrote there won’t be any retaliatory strikes. Now you’re predicting we’re going to retaliate. You’re wrong both times, and you have no credibility.

Nope and you’re not going to get one either. This was performative. Iran told both the U.S. and Qatar beforehand (per the New York Times.) It’s symbolic, for show. Now both sides stand down. Best possible news.

He just threatened the oil companies. “I’M WATCHING YOU!” Then he threatened Russia for thinking about giving Iran nukes “DON’T GO THERE!” He is Mr. Tough Guy for sure. It’s embarrassing.

No idea but if I were them I would say it even if it wasn’t true.

I try not to, it’s too depressing. We’d all be so much better off.

So I’ve been thinking about this all day and reading different opinions, and I’ve come to the conclusion that President Trump made the right choice. That could change if I learn more I don’t know right now. But based on what I know it was the right decision.

Immortal lyrics. Have you ever encountered a modern day political figure more emblematic of them than Donald Trump?

There is nothing wrong with wanting regime change in Iran. All people of good will should hope for it and I have no problem with Trump calling for it. More power to him. If he attempts to use the American military to bring that about that’s different and I think I would oppose that. But there’s no sign of that yet.

I think we can all agree that if Iran closes Hormuz it will be worse for them than for anyone else, so hopefully that will be reason enough for them not to do it. Of course the same reasoning applies to nukes: if Iran had nukes and used them they would be immediately obliterated. So why don’t we want them to have nukes? Because there is a chance, a reasonable chance, that they truly are crazy motherfockers and would use them anyhow. And if that is true they just might close Hormuz anyhow. We will have to wait and find out.

It’s done now anyhow.

The reason that Biden and Obama (and Bush and Trump in his first term and Clinton) didn’t attack Iran is because they were worried about this EXACT threat- closing Hormuz.

I don’t understand your point here. If they close Hormuz we would likely have to send our navy in to open it up. Meanwhile the price of oil goes through the roof and the stock market crashes. It would be 1973 x10 (look it up if you don’t know about 1973.) Do you get this at all?