The Real timschochet

Well you should. Nobody owns us. Some liberals think Russia and Putin owns us; they don’t. Some conservatives think “the globalists” own us; they don’t. But if you specifically believe that Israel owns us you’re almost surely a bigot and a Jew hater. I don’t agree with you on many issues but I wouldn’t want to put you (or anyone) in that category unless you truly earned it and was truly describable.

This may very well be true, from a political standpoint. But right is right and wrong is wrong. Unless this guy actually fomented violence or tried to raise money for Hamas, I’ve got a real problem with this. I don’t approve of the occupation of a building but it’s not the same as burning or looting or beating up people. Based on what I know (and I’m quite willing to be educated further) this guy should not have been arrested. If that puts me in the 20% minority so be it. I can’t change my moral code.

I don’t question the laws (which I oppose by the way.) My comment was in response to his statement that “Israel owns us.” Do you agree with that conclusion?

It should also stand on what the word “support” actually means. Was he raising money for Hamas? (The way that some Irish people here used to raise money for the IRA?) I would deport him for that. Or was he simply speaking out in defense of Hamas? That would cause me to detest him, but I wouldn’t deport him for that.

Still waiting for you to back up the claim of him organizing a violent protest.

Then please explain why we have raised tariffs on Canada.

Your points are clear. They are also clearly wrong. 1. No he was deported for protesting against Israel, not against Jews. Many Jews joined his protests. 2. Students should have the right to peacefully protest no matter where they’re from. 3. This is your blind hatred and ignorance and bigotry speaking.

1. You obviously care since you almost always respond to my posts. 2. I don’t condone at all what Israel has done to Gaza. According to @jerryskids this excludes me from being a “True Jew”. But though his collectivization of Jews is not mean spirited or a product of sick bigotry, like yours, it’s still collectivization and wrong.

I don’t need to. Since you’re one of those who have made this claim, I’m sure you have a link to back it up. After all you would never just post something so awful about a person that you didn’t know to be true, right?

I also can’t find any specific information that he supports Hamas. Doesn’t mean it’s not there but I can’t find it.

Can you provide evidence of this? Specifically the violent part? If he encouraged violence in any way that would change my mind on this whole affair and cause me to agree with the government’s action. But I can’t find evidence that this is the case.

Please don’t try and tell me what a “True Jew” is. Thank you.

I can’t find any evidence that he has called for the genocide of Jews. (And please don’t bring up the “River to the Sea” line because that’s not what it means. Come up with something more specific.) But I want to be clear that even if Khalil DID call for the murder of all Jews I would defend his right to do so, just as I would defend @Cdub100’s right to spread HIS Jew hatred. Because I believe in free speech. I don’t think free speech should be limited for someone here on a student visa. I think everybody who comes here, no matter how, should have the right to say what they want.

This has already happened. Since taking office President Trump has enacted one policy after another which has raised prices for the average American. Reducing one’s spending power is effectively reducing income.

Many of those Jewish students are protesting on behalf of Khalil, who they do not regard as anti-Semitic (but merely opposed to the current actions of the State of Israel.)

What are your expectations?

This response is typical of Trump supporters in general at this point. They’ve stopped trying to defend the specifics of what Trump is doing. They’re simply acknowledging that it’s going to be painful and trolling the rest of us.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Almost everything else Trump has done so far has been a performative stunt. The tariffs on the other hand seem quite real to me, and to our neighbors.

Nobody wins a trade law. Everybody loses. Canada can’t win but they can make us suffer. And they will. Canada is also unable to surrender because Trump has made no specific demands on them.

Lawrence O’ Donnell said something tonight that I think is 100% true: all Donald Trump has to do tonight is say “I changed my mind; there won’t be any more tariffs for the rest of my term and you won’t hear me talk about this again” and the stock market would go through the roof tomorrow. Plus we would avoid a recession.

Thank you. So here is an updated list of the clear anti-semites in this forum: @iam90sbaby @Cdub100 @HB Localboy @Frozenbeernuts

Anyone who believes that there is no moral difference between Putin and Zelensky has no credibility. Putin has shown himself to be a genocidal mass murderer who is the dictator of one of the most potentially powerful nations on Earth with nuclear weapons. Zelensky is the democratically elected leader of a small free country.

@peenie isn’t justifying anything here. Nobody approves of murder, or crime in general. The questions are: which ones do you focus on and what does it say, if anything, about society in general? The United States and South Africa have very different histories, but there are a couple of things in common: one is that both feature an incredible amount of racism by white people against black people, including slavery, segregation, murder, mistreatment, and brutality. Second is that this sort of racism only ended very recently BY LAW, after centuries, but still exists in terms of culture and privilege. A final similarity is that white people have NEVER been victims in either society except in very small anecdotal instances which are only notable for their rarity, and when you find white people regarding themselves as victims, this is usually a sign of white supremacy or outright bigotry.

Yeah but you think ALL Jews are evil, so your thoughts are worth sh!t on this topic (actually on all topics.)

This is not the best thread to insert actual facts. Most of the people who have posted here have no use for them.