The Real timschochet

He just threatened the oil companies. “I’M WATCHING YOU!” Then he threatened Russia for thinking about giving Iran nukes “DON’T GO THERE!” He is Mr. Tough Guy for sure. It’s embarrassing.

No idea but if I were them I would say it even if it wasn’t true.

I try not to, it’s too depressing. We’d all be so much better off.

So I’ve been thinking about this all day and reading different opinions, and I’ve come to the conclusion that President Trump made the right choice. That could change if I learn more I don’t know right now. But based on what I know it was the right decision.

Immortal lyrics. Have you ever encountered a modern day political figure more emblematic of them than Donald Trump?

There is nothing wrong with wanting regime change in Iran. All people of good will should hope for it and I have no problem with Trump calling for it. More power to him. If he attempts to use the American military to bring that about that’s different and I think I would oppose that. But there’s no sign of that yet.

I think we can all agree that if Iran closes Hormuz it will be worse for them than for anyone else, so hopefully that will be reason enough for them not to do it. Of course the same reasoning applies to nukes: if Iran had nukes and used them they would be immediately obliterated. So why don’t we want them to have nukes? Because there is a chance, a reasonable chance, that they truly are crazy motherfockers and would use them anyhow. And if that is true they just might close Hormuz anyhow. We will have to wait and find out.

It’s done now anyhow.

The reason that Biden and Obama (and Bush and Trump in his first term and Clinton) didn’t attack Iran is because they were worried about this EXACT threat- closing Hormuz.

I don’t understand your point here. If they close Hormuz we would likely have to send our navy in to open it up. Meanwhile the price of oil goes through the roof and the stock market crashes. It would be 1973 x10 (look it up if you don’t know about 1973.) Do you get this at all?

Closing the Strait of Hormuz isn’t “some pain”. It would be a terrible thing for us (but arguably worse for Iran so hopefully they won’t.)

Anyone ever read The Guns of August?

They haven’t done it yet, they’ve voted to do it but it’s up to the Supreme Commander (Khameini.) Hegseth says he’s confident they won’t because of China. But it’s what I was concerned about all along. Let’s hope Hegseth is right for once.

My policy is American ideals first.

There’s something seriously wrong with you.

“Oy vey” is a Yiddish term, from Eastern European Jews. It’s not really related to Israel, whose national language is Hebrew. Yiddish is pretty much a dead language except among Hasidic Jews in New York. When you relate it to actions connected to Israel you come close to anti-Semitic tropes. I’m not suggesting you’re anti-Semitic like @Cdub100 is; just figure you were unaware.

You mean the technology that was created by Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller, and other scientists? What do those gentlemen have in common, do you think?

This isn’t even debatable!

Netanyahu was certainly served. Whether or not Israel was remains a very open question. I have some doubts about this.

You tell me. You’re the one who wants policies that will make things much worse for us.

Your sympathy and patience are irrelevant. Your pocketbook isn’t. I care about that (in the sense that I care about Americans pocketbooks in general) even if you don’t.

America 1st is stupid. But your comment makes no sense.

We need to hope that Taco Trump is still a thing with regard to tariffs. The 90 day deadline is coming up and if Trump reverts to hos original plan it will bring us economic ruin. And he still needs to back off China. Taco Trump also needs to be a thing with regard to mass deportation- he needs to limit that to violent criminals. If he doesn’t it will have grave implications for our agriculture and service industries.Trump has acknowledged this so I’m hoping for the best (the best being Taco Trump, a tacit admission of his idiocy and incompetence.)

It still feels dishonorable to me.

There’s another aspect to this that nobody on TV is talking about, at least not yet: two days ago Trump promised two weeks to see if Iran would agree to negotiations. Then long before the deadline ran out, he attacked. I’m sure a lot of people here will call this smart tactics and maybe it is. But it’s also dishonorable. It’s kind of like when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor while Japan was still supposedly negotiating with us. We righteously called that “infamy”. Go ahead, laugh about it. But it bothers me.