The Real timschochet

I’ll never prove it to you until the next election. And then we’ll see. I admit not much can be done until then. Unless…. Im actually hoping somebody can get to Trump and tell him how stupid this is. I’ve always gotten the sense that he doesn’t take this nearly as seriously as Stephen Miller and the MAGA fanatics out there. Trump has, after all, used plenty of undocumented labor on his properties. Maybe he’ll come around when he sees the effects.

You’re one of those guys.

Well first I linked to you an article about how the raids hurt our economy. I can link several more. Or just Google it. They’re all over the place. Second: undocumented labor in jobs that the vast majority of Americans don’t want keep prices low and therefore give American workers more spending power. That is greatly to their benefit.

In the history of this nation we have never fully enforced our immigration laws. We don’t today. They’re unworkable. Trump’s attempt to enforce them, haphazardly in target raids aimed at largely Hispanic communities, is itself unlawful.

I haven’t encountered a chamber of commerce, anywhere, in favor of deportations. I HAVE encountered many opposed. If you have contradictory evidence please present it.

I find it interesting that none of you are denying that this is hurting the economy. You seem to be saying “OK, so be it.” I am frankly counting on this being a minority opinion.

Businesses didn’t make that choice on their own. Consumers as well. As I wrote, the entire economy. It’s called capitalism. And if these folks want to be here for the pay they’re receiving I don’t think you can call it exploitation.

It was never out of control. And I have never apologized for anyone. It’s the reverse: you and others are apologizing for the deportations. As far as compelling goes, what can I say? My observation has been that there is nothing more compelling to the average voter than how things affect his pocketbook. But maybe you’re right that this will be the one and only exception to that rule. I doubt it. We’ll see.

If this were the case every chamber of commerce (made up of small businesses) would be in favor of these raids. But in fact it’s the opposite. They’re all opposed because small businesses depend on this labor. You’re crushing them by scaring these people off.

Not only California the entire U.S. economy is based on these people.

Trump is prepared to give up the Sudetenland but is drawing a line at Prague. Oh wait…

Who are you, Charlie Kirk now? GTFOH

lol dude you NEVER respect my opinion! Anyhow didn’t mean anything by it

I wasn’t being nasty. I want to live in a society in which nobody needs to ask the question that you asked.

If you have to ask this question then IMO you’re part of the problem. But to answer you: I would prefer a more woke society in which most people are both tolerant and accepting of gays and trans and regarded these people as normal, worthy of dignity and respect, and consideration. We’re far removed from that and to me this is depressing.

I read posts like this and I wonder, how many people still feel this way? Enough I suppose. It’s depressing.

Christ the Jewish rabbi, you mean?

Goldman Sachs analyst predicts tarrifs will create rising prices; Trump is so angry that he demands analyst be fired: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/08/12/trump-solomon-goldman-sachs-economist-tariffs.html

Both. Of course nothing ever lives up to the first two films. Despite that I watch every one anyhow.

I can. Really really want to watch it too but I’ve now gotten to the point where I’m too impatient to wait until next week and the week after. I want my entire cake NOW. So I will wait until the series is complete and then binge.

Actually it isn’t. It’s winning. What you’re missing is that it really doesn’t matter who started it. I actually agree with you that Democrats, if they didn’t start it, are at the very least as guilty as Republicans…in the past. That doesn’t matter either. What matters is the PERCEPTION of who started it. And the Democrats are winning that perception. Because Trump foolishly publicly said “I won Texas; I deserve 5 more seats.” There’s your problem. No matter how much you try to argue now that Democrats actually started this, it’s too late. That battle is over.

Love Jennifer Welch. She’s a rare bright spot in the state of Oklahoma. I’ve Had It is a tremendous broadcast. A lot of what she says in tongue in cheek but she’s making a larger point, which is the hypocrisy of certain people who behave normally and decently in their personal lives (which means generally pro-woke) but then turn around and vote for Trump.

OK so you are predicting a red tsunami. I will mark it down. Let’s see what happens.

First I don’t have a side. Please take a look at my comments in the latest Newsom thread regarding what I think of sides. Second, I would agree that Democratic led cities have made a lot of mistakes in fighting against crime in the past. So have Republicans. There is no empirical evidence linking high crime to one political party of the other: https://ash.harvard.edu/articles/crime-is-nonpartisan-and-the-blame-game-on-crime-in-cities-is-wrong-on-both-sides/ Now in recent years a lot of the innovative thinking on this issue has come in Democratic led cities. That’s why high crime in DC, Baltimore, Los Angeles, is actually reduced. It’s not yet safe in ANY of these places but crime is down. We should study why and encourage these changes rather than cut funding for them and rush in with a bludgeoning, heavy handed approach as you seem to favor.

@RLLD I’d like you to predict what’s going to happen in next years election. Everyone knows what I think: that there’s going to be a huge blue wave because of voter dissatisfaction with the tariffs, inflation, and Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill. I think you would agree with me that elections are the only polls that truly matter? So if you think people are happy with Trump, how do you predict the election will play out?