The Real timschochet

Closing the Strait of Hormuz isn’t “some pain”. It would be a terrible thing for us (but arguably worse for Iran so hopefully they won’t.)

Anyone ever read The Guns of August?

They haven’t done it yet, they’ve voted to do it but it’s up to the Supreme Commander (Khameini.) Hegseth says he’s confident they won’t because of China. But it’s what I was concerned about all along. Let’s hope Hegseth is right for once.

My policy is American ideals first.

There’s something seriously wrong with you.

“Oy vey” is a Yiddish term, from Eastern European Jews. It’s not really related to Israel, whose national language is Hebrew. Yiddish is pretty much a dead language except among Hasidic Jews in New York. When you relate it to actions connected to Israel you come close to anti-Semitic tropes. I’m not suggesting you’re anti-Semitic like @Cdub100 is; just figure you were unaware.

You mean the technology that was created by Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller, and other scientists? What do those gentlemen have in common, do you think?

This isn’t even debatable!

Netanyahu was certainly served. Whether or not Israel was remains a very open question. I have some doubts about this.

You tell me. You’re the one who wants policies that will make things much worse for us.

Your sympathy and patience are irrelevant. Your pocketbook isn’t. I care about that (in the sense that I care about Americans pocketbooks in general) even if you don’t.

America 1st is stupid. But your comment makes no sense.

We need to hope that Taco Trump is still a thing with regard to tariffs. The 90 day deadline is coming up and if Trump reverts to hos original plan it will bring us economic ruin. And he still needs to back off China. Taco Trump also needs to be a thing with regard to mass deportation- he needs to limit that to violent criminals. If he doesn’t it will have grave implications for our agriculture and service industries.Trump has acknowledged this so I’m hoping for the best (the best being Taco Trump, a tacit admission of his idiocy and incompetence.)

It still feels dishonorable to me.

There’s another aspect to this that nobody on TV is talking about, at least not yet: two days ago Trump promised two weeks to see if Iran would agree to negotiations. Then long before the deadline ran out, he attacked. I’m sure a lot of people here will call this smart tactics and maybe it is. But it’s also dishonorable. It’s kind of like when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor while Japan was still supposedly negotiating with us. We righteously called that “infamy”. Go ahead, laugh about it. But it bothers me.

He seemed thoughtful and made sense to me otherwise I wouldn’t have quoted him.

This is weak. It’s the typical bullsh!t the other side brings. Be above this.

It was on MSNBC, he was an Iranian committed to overthrow of the current regime. He certainly didn’t sound idiotic, but I have never heard him beforez

You think this has eliminated Trump’s domestic problems? That’s really naive.

I have already heard one Middle East expert tonight almost guarantee that Iran will have nuclear weapons within 10 years, even if the current government is overthrown. There is almost no way to stop them, and they will be more determined than ever. Maybe that’s too negative. Who knows? But logically it makes sense that if you are a weaker nation vulnerable to attack your best security is probably to have a nuclear arsenal.

Tactically I’m sure it was a success; I would be shocked if otherwise. Strategically was it a success? That’s what none of us know including Trump. When I made that comment about Trump calling this a total success, I was thinking very specifically of Bush and “mission accomplished.”

The other thing is he said “this is a complete and TOTAL success.” Trump is infamous for exaggeration and this sort of language. But it’s a dangerous claim to make.

Well I thought he would offer at least SOME indication that Iran was close to a nuclear weapon. Nothing. A vague, awful cheerleading speech. Pretty pathetic. Still, what else can we do but hope he’s right?

On this if nothing else we can agree.

As likely as anything else, that’s the guy you voted for.