The Real timschochet

I didn’t exactly denounce Trump. I mocked him for working with Johnson the whole time and then deciding to kill the bill at the last second, not because of any principle but because Elon was unhappy. And now surrendering a day later and ultimately surrendering even more in a few days when Republicans cave and go back to the original deal which is now inevitable. Trump is an inept clown IMO.

The fact that this vote failed is more evidence of the ineptness of the GOP run House. Say what you want about Pelosi but she never allowed a bill to be voted on unless she knew it would pass. She counted the votes beforehand and if it was likely to fail she tabled the bill.

38 Republicans voted against. Republicans have the majority.

I’m not laughing about it. The Democrats opposed it because they oppose extending the debt ceiling at this time. If they do that it makes it easier for Trump to get his new tax cut next year and the Democrats don’t want that to happen. I understand that reasoning but personally I would have voted for it anyhow because of the disaster aid. So no I’m not going to denounce the Democrats, but I don’t agree with them.

TRUMP: I raise you $100! DEMOCRATS: We’ll match that and raise you $100. TRUMP: I raise you $10,000! DEMOCRATS: OK. Call. TRUMP: I fold! Alpha gambler!

What does “fairly clean” mean in this context? Sure sounds like all the spending you’ve been complaining about is going to happen. Is that the “clean” part? Oh and now we’re supposed to pretend that raising the debt ceiling is a conservative victory? Lololol

Wow. Apparently it didn’t even take that long.

In the immortal words of Willy Wonka: strike that, reverse it.

I’ve read a little about this but I can’t tell you about the cost of 8 billion. I have no idea. Sounds like a lot of waste and corruption if I had to guess. My point was that it really is a worthy project despite the inevitable boondoggle aspects.

This particular comment betrays a real misunderstanding on your part. That bridge results in untold amounts of revenue for the area, and for the government.

I do believe you’re honest about this and I respect you for it. The politicians you support, however, are not honest about this and it’s never going to happen. Right now we’re 36 trillion in debt. That number is so huge it’s become meaningless. In 20 years it will be 70 trillion, which is just as meaningless as 36 trillion. But hey maybe cryptocurrency is the answer.

Thats hilarious. It actually really makes it a lot of sense if you think about it. Whenever the debt ceiling comes up, Congress hems and haws and makes a lot of noise but eventually they raise it. What choice do they have? It’s debt that’s already happened and if we don’t pay the dollar collapses. So this whole debt ceiling thing is for show. But it’s an important show for conservatives. Musk is pretending he can seriously cut the budget with this DOGE thing. But all he ever talks about specifically is cutting DEI and “woke” programs. I’m sure that makes conservatives happy everywhere but even if we cut all of that it amounts to what, .1% of the budget? Or less? Let’s wait and see if he proposes real cutting- which means defense or entitlements. And then let’s see if Republicans are truly willing to do it.

Actually Winston said that “history will be kind to me, because I intend to write that history.”

Among the money that will be cut off is 100 million in aid for the poor people in North Carolina and the other ravaged areas. But why not right? It’s all good because we’re blowing stuff up.

Damn you really aren’t very smart about this are you?

I think so. I think the history books will be very kind to Joe.

Still arguing for principles that have nothing to with why this bill has been halted and nothing to do with how it’s going to be eventually resolved.

You have no idea what you want and don’t want. And if you think the public truly wants to cut spending guess again.

I think you guys are out to lunch on this one. There will not be any jury nullification. This dude is going to be convicted of first degree murder and will be sent to prison for life.

Hey White power dude the grownups are talking here.

But see when sh!t like this goes down it’s never the stupid stuff that suffers. It’s always the folks who really need their checks that don’t get them, like retired pensioners, VA, etc. The stupid stuff goes right on being stupid. And as I wrote earlier, this will end in a complete surrender by Trump and the Republicans. It may take a day or two, or it may go on for a few months. But in the end all the useless government you hate will be restored and any losses will be reimbursed with interest just like last time. You do realize this right?

I didn’t lose. The country lost.

They definitely take a gleefulness in the idea of blowing things up. For many conservatives that is a big part of Trump’s appeal.

The other interesting thing is that Mike Johnson has apparently spent the last two weeks consulting closely with Trump while the negotiations for this bill was going on. Trump’s team, including Musk, knew about all aspects of this bill and could have vetoed any aspect during the negotiations. So why kill it at the last second? Remember that Trump killed a spending bill in the last second during his first term, causing a government shutdown for 60 days; he then abruptly surrendered to the Democrats without gaining anything he demanded. This situation will likely end the same way. In short: this is less about Trump’s principles regarding wasteful spending (he doesn’t have any) and more about his utter incompetence in his role as leader of the GOP, which hasn’t improved over time.

Isn’t that the plot of Wicked?