The Real timschochet

What’s interesting to me is that Trump has no apparent objection to any aspect of the bill. Per his Truth Social post he just wants to add increasing the debt ceiling limit (which expires next summer.)

Yeah well sorry but you should know that Holocaust denial doesn’t really turn a lot of girls on.

In the link you posted, Powell is quoted as saying people are feeling the effects of high prices rather than high inflation. My serious question: what’s the difference?

It makes me drink

Bad move. If we had sent him to the Vikings, even now, they would have given us 3-4 draft picks.

You tend to be pretty patronizing in your responses. I’ve been accused of that as well so I am mindful of it, both for myself and others. I am very well aware of the history that you mentioned. I have quite a different interpretation of it than you do. Rather than go into detail on our differences, let me make a few points and then I’m done: 1. There has always been what you call “illegal immigration” to this country. It has never, in our entire history, been fully controlled. The level of it has been almost wholly a result of outside factors and not our own actions and that will likely continue to be the case no matter what we do. 2. If we ever have a time where there is no or extremely little undocumented immigration, that will very likely mean we are suffering from some grave economic calamity here. I hope not to see it. Typically the larger number of undocumented immigrants, the more prosperous our society is. 3. In your most recent post you compared us to a lifeboat. That is not and has never been a valid analogy for the United States. We have never not had enough room to absorb everyone who comes here both with legal papers and without. In fact it’s not even a close question. I am leaving for Europe so if I you have a response or question I won’t be able to reply for a few weeks. I do enjoy our conversations/ debates on these issues. Wishing you and your family happy holidays.

Yep

Well now we get to the real level of disagreement. I don’t want them to try another country. I want this country to be the refuge. That is, IMO, our whole purpose for being a country in the first place. It’s who we are.

Well the problem with that is what you’re being sent back to. If what you’re currently living in is hell on Earth you’re probably going to risk it anyhow.

We are capable of protecting our borders. We’re capable of stopping nearly every undocumented immigrant from coming here if we really want to. We don’t. The price is too high. Everything Trump and the Republicans are doing is for show. The American public thinks they want to do something about this. Truth is they don’t. They want to be told something has been done.

I don’t because there literally isn’t any. These folks are already willing to risk their lives, the lives of their families and children, risk separation, imprisonment, torture, death, starvation, all for the slim possibility of being in America- and you think that cutting off welfare benefits is going to deter them?

They’re two of the main drivers. There are others. And there are ways we can spend money to try to deal with these issues or at least counter them. The solution isn’t to throw up our hands and stop spending.

They would live anywhere if it meant living here.

To quote Peter Parker: with great power comes great responsibility. We are the leader of the free world. We have been since World War II. We derive a lot of benefits from that position and I don’t think we should surrender it lightly. But yes it gives us certain duties.

I don’t think you understand at all the motivation for people wanting to come here.

I so rarely agree with @Hardcore troubadour but I find myself doing it twice now in the space of a few days. He is correct here- the key to black inequality in education needs to be solved at the primary levels. By the time college comes around it’s already too late. Now, the irony of Hardcore’s argument is that he regularly supports conservative politicians who don’t want to spend a dime trying to help the inner cities address these problems. Democrats haven’t exactly done a great job either but at least they’re willing to focus on it.

Not really in love with this decision. If he did something illegal prosecute him. But this seems vindictive, designed simply to embarrass the dude. I have no love for Gaetz, I think he’s a real jerk. But he’s out of Congress and not going to be AG so this seems unnecessary.

I don’t believe that affirmative action/DEI is racism. I also don’t believe that opposing affirmative action/DEI is racism. Both are legitimate points of view.

I voted for the Chardonnay guy because I like Chardonnay

Stupid. They’re not here for these benefits and they won’t leave if they don’t get them. But if you remove Medicaid in particular you run the risk of spreading diseases like tuberculosis. Administering a TB shot costs the taxpayer around $25. A developed case of TB cost around $3000 to treat or more. Stupid. You guys are just not going to accomplish what you think you are. At the end of Trump’s term in 4 years there will be more undocumented immigrants in this country than there are now. Because the cause is not being addressed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a62991144/new-fusion-reactor-sphere/ I figure we’re about 20-30 years away from this making a difference in our lives. If President Trump wants to make a serious investment in might be sooner (and it would make him, IMO, one of our greatest and most important Presidents, despite everything else and no matter what my personal opinion is of him.) If humanity conquers nuclear fusion, there is not a single problem we face now that won’t be solved.

No you really don’t get it. You think I am calling conservatives stupid. I’m not. Most conservatives are pretty bright people. I’m calling YOU stupid.

I’ve noticed a pattern with you: whether it’s me, or Maddow or Olbermann- you tend to dislike anyone who’s smarter than you are. Sadly that doesn’t leave you too many options to like, does it?

Leaving in the morning!

No it’s more like you’re trying to weasel INTO it. You’re the ones using word games not him.