The Real timschochet

The answer is yes and no. Yes at first always. But eventually the smart religions, the ones that last, accept the science and find a way to work it in. Of course sometimes there’s a lot of drama in between, people get murdered, etc. Heretics are put to the stake. Eventually though it gets absorbed. Christianity brilliantly solved this dilemma with something called the Enlightenment which basically means “hey if the scientists say it’s true, God must have wanted it all along! When we thought differently it wasn’t God who was wrong; we just misunderstood Him.” This excuse cleverly allows everyone but the absolute literalists to adopt every discovery no matter how much it might contradict Scripture. Islam didn’t have any Enlightenment and so they’ve struggled a little more with this.

Pretty much. As we’ve seen they give him info and he ignores it.

I wrote last night that Trump doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing and that is true. He doesn’t think things through, he acts by whim and at the spur of the moment. All true and really scary. At the same time it’s not necessarily bad in this particular situation. Sure it would be better if he thought things through and had a plan but he’s probably going to reach the right decision anyhow if the news reports are true: which is either a negotiated solution or a limited air strike that avoids a larger military commitment. During his time as President Trump has been consistent about very few things, but one of them is trying to avoid war. This is a commendable attribute IMO.

God sometimes you are so dense. I don’t change a thing. I used the word “say” in both posts. Trump doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing. As usual you defend him like some slobbering dog. It’s really pathetic.

I understand all that. So why is Trump hesitating?

The brown shirts are on back order.

Which law? The last one passed was just after 9/11 for the purposes of defending us from 9/11. It’s a bit of a stretch to claim that bombing Iran is related to that.

I meant Iraq but you knew that.

The point is Trump is hesitating because he wants Iran to agree to stop this on their own. But how can we take their word for it? Even international inspectors wouldn’t be proof, especially since Iran is such a large country and can hide stuff underground (as they are.) So what’s the point of hoping Iran says they will stop?

Wasn’t that part of the Obama deal that Trump killed? And didn’t we have the same deal with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq but we became convinced they were cheating anyhow?

The other question is one that I have been asking for about 20 years now with no satisfactory answer: should the President be able to commit the use of force against another nation without the prior consent of Congress?

The point is that Trump is supposedly hesitating because he wants to see if Iran will give up their nuclear weapons quest. But since Iran pursues them in secret (underground which is why we would end up using the special “bunker buster” missile) I don’t know what would be convincing evidence of this. Trump had already rejected what the intelligence services have told him about this (which is that Iran is still years away.)

No I don’t think it but that’s their official line: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

They supposedly abandoned trying to obtain weapons in 2003 and haven’t resumed it, if we take their word for it. Of course we don’t but that’s why I’m confused by what Trump is demanding.

Something doesn’t make sense about this. Is he waiting for Iran to say “OK we abandon it”? Because they’ve done that all along. Is there some more specific demand?

With the possible exception of Lindsey Graham, I haven’t read anyone express this opinion, includIng MAGA.

Question: does anyone here who supports this decision also support making it illegal for adults to receive this same medical care?

I would hope that I would have the bravery to stand up against injustice. But I also hope I don’t have to find out.

Updates no. But I’d like to discuss it.

Hey guys, this topic is about as serious as it gets at the moment. Can we put aside the whole RLLD lied/didn't lie thing? Truly doubt anyone is that interested any more.

I sure hope Trump is getting some decent advice here because my strong suspicion is that he is as unprepared to make this decision as I would be.

It would not be a war in terms of a military invasion or occupation. We have bombed countries before without going to war with them. But it would lead to increased chances of terrorism against us. Is it worth that?

Should Trump authorize the B-2 bomber? If the news is correct, we can finish off Iran’s nuclear capacity for decades, and Israel cannot. It’s a huge decision. But maybe we should do it. I am honestly unsure and would hate to have to make this decision.

When I wrote earlier that I was troubled by what the comptroller had done it was based on a description that was offered here. When I watched the video I changed my mind. No law enforcement was impeded, this wasn’t a stunt, Lauder did nothing wrong. I shouldn’t ever believe what is posted here by the MAGA crowd. It’s almost always bullsh!t

Just because we are in our Middle Ages doesn’t mean we want to live in the Middle Ages.