The Real timschochet

Again it depends on the issue. It doesn’t always allow the voters to override the legislature. Sometimes, not always. It’s for the courts to decide.

It’s supposed to be. That was in jest and directed at @EternalShinyAndChrome who ends every argument with “It’s not even a question”.

Amazing that this post is coming from a guy who believes in every conspiracy theory out there.

I’ve always believed in the last few years that Iran is a country that would eventually topple its current regime. The people of Iran don’t want these Ayatollahs controlling every aspect of their lives. There’s a lot of dissension there and eventually the regime would disintegrate. But my concern now is that we are unifying them. Nothing makes a government more popular than being attacked.

I disagree with @RLLD almost all the time but I think you’re pushing it a little bit here. Despite Trump’s social media “we” the USA isn’t involved- at least not yet. There’s no US planes in the air, US pilots, drones etc. it’s all Israeli. And Rubio did make a pretty clear statement. Trump is being confusing but that’s his deal. Who the hell knows?

Let’s get back to the main point: IF Gavin Newsom decides to run for President in 2028 and IF he is elected, that will lead to a better and more prosperous United States- not just for myself, but for @TheNewGirl and @Strike and everybody else reading this. He is a clear improvement over what we have now. I don’t even think it’s a question.

OK let’s try this again, slowly. 1. I don’t want a dictator. I want an elected legislature passing laws that the governor can sign or veto. 2. I understand we have propositions. I don’t like that idea. If I had my way I would do away with them. In the meantime I have to live with them. But if, as in the case you cited, a proposition says one thing and the legislature says another, then the courts need to adjudicate it. I don’t believe that the proposition necessarily takes precedence over the legislature, and I certainly don’t believe that if it does, that makes the governor a dictator (your words). To me that’s a simplistic, asinine and foolish assumption. is that more clear?

No she isn’t right. And it’s not pretzel logic either. Do you even understand what is meant by a constitutional republic?

No you’re misstating my position. Either you don’t understand me or you doing it deliberately. I offered my position pretty clearly in two posts

Again: in principle I support the idea of voting for people to make decisions, not voting directly for decisions. That’s why I believe in a republic and not a pure democracy. That doesn’t mean I always get what I want. Far from it. But as a general rule I oppose the whole state proposition thing, always have.

Actually you’re wrong about this, in principle. Truthfully California should not have propositions at all. The whole idea behind a constitutional republic is that we elect legislators to decide on the law. The public doesn’t decide on the law directly. Putting this specific issue aside, I want a governor, and a legislature, which makes informed decisions without worrying about what the public wants at any given time. That’s how our system was designed.

I hope you’re right.

I don’t know who that is.

Well first off I’m talking about 2026. 2028 is a ways off and a different issue. I think Newsom is a viable candidate, but even if I’m wrong about that one will emerge by then. But my point here is that if these protests are real, then it could lead to a blue wave election next year. If it doesn’t, if Republicans retain their hold in House and Senate (or even if they only lose by small margins) then these protests were meaningless and not the start of something bigger. One way or another we’ll find out.

I’ve thought so in the past. I don’t anymore. But I still find your views on this issue unreasonable.

Thank you for answering. As you would no doubt suspect, I fundamentally and strongly disagree with your position here (at least the “deport them all” part.) I find it unreasonable and unworkable. But I appreciate the clarification. The polling indicates that attitudes are changing about this and that the public really doesn’t want what you are proposing, despite the fact that that they appeared to want it last November. I hope that’s true, we will see.

We know. And as I wrote. It’s ugly and stupid. Brahma too.

Your personal attacks mean nothing to me. Why persist? It just makes you look worse.

Your insistence on attacking Walz and liberalism in this thread, around this topic, is just stupid and tasteless. I’m not surprised you don’t see that, but most people reading this do.

The most impressive aspect of the protests, for me, was how many of them took place in deep red states: Idaho, South Carolina, etc. I really do think something is happening here. The polls suggest the public at large has really changed their minds about Trump and MAGA. We will know next election time; until then it’s all speculation. But the signs are there.

But he hasn’t been awful in this thread. You have. You and @Hardcore troubadour and a few others. You’ve pinned these murders on liberals, tried to blame Tim Walz, attacked other posters. Everything you’ve written here has been stupid and ugly and wrong.

I really didn’t care.

He can be nice, he can be smart in other areas. But I don’t need to learn any of that to know that holding Walz responsible for the murder of these poor people in any fashion is moronic. If Albert Einstein had said this it would still be moronic.

Yeah I understood you right the first time. It’s a horrible comparison. Iran can’t match Israel in bombing or drones. But we followed up bombing Iraq with an invasion which toppled Saddam Hussein. Israel can’t do that, nor can they completely destroy the Iranian nuclear program, so I’m not quite sure what they’re going to achieve here. Which is why your comparison was so asinine.

Usually when I have 3 I’m all in. But I’m a lousy gambler.