The Real timschochet

Not on purpose

It didn’t change the meaning. As usual you’re missing the entire point, deliberately.

That’s exactly what I wrote.

They don’t agree with ICE’s current policies. Neither do I. Doesn’t make me less American.

I didn’t say that. I said I wasn’t a member of the party. Never given them money. In the last 10 years I’ve voted Democrat pretty constantly because I agreed with them on a majority of issues (certainly nowhere near all.) Prior to that I voted Republican mostly. My core convictions have never changed.

Rush

I linked to the BBC because it was the only reputable source I could find that had details about the law in question. So far as I know the BBC isn’t a tabloid. You’re welcome to present a contradictory source if you have one.

If you assert something that is opposite of what the news is reporting, it’s up to you to prove the news is wrong.

Neither of your points go to your earlier statement that waving flags of another country demonstrate that the wavers are not American.

As I suspected the details of this bill have not been represented correctly in this thread: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9w4n6gp5o The government can only seize land “if the property is not being used, there has been no effort to develop it and make money from it, or it poses a risk to people.” Further it can’t be done unless the government has tried and failed to reach an agreement with the owner. Given the inequities of land ownership in South Africa how is this unreasonable? That doesn’t mean I’m necessarily for this law, but the idea being spread around of white farmers being thrown off their land as an act of revenge seems like total nonsense spread by the usual subjects here (I.E. white supremacist liars like @Cdub100)

Interesting. So when on St Patrick’s Day Irish flags are waved, those folks aren’t American either?

I’m not a member of the Democratic Party. Or any party.

Not on the issues that matter most to me

I always love to be psychoanalyzed. But the answer is much simpler: I’m not giving it back because it was stolen fair and square and the people it was stolen from are all dead. I don’t believe in reparations unless you were alive to be wronged. The only reason I wrote that was to contradict @Strike’s absurd absolutism about land ownership. There is nothing absolute about this subject.

In any event I’ve come to believe that with Trump none of his announcements actually come true until they actually come true. Case in point the tariffs. So probably there will be some meeting between South Africa’s President and Trump, and some sort of promise or bribe will be made, and the money will go through.

Reminds me of Anthony Burns: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Burns The sanctuary movement are today’s version of abolitionists.

I’ll think about this and let you know.

I’m living on land that was seized from the Mexican government without compensation.

1. No the answer is yes. I offered an example. There are others. 2. @squistion offered an analogy. You pointed out why that analogy is flawed. I tend to agree with your rebuttal but that doesn’t make him a liar. You do that a lot and it’s warped thinking IMO.

The Lakers? Wrong sport but imagine him defending in the paint!

1. Usually not but there are extreme examples where it can be justified. After the Civil War General Grant seized Confederate slaveholder’s land and distributed it to former slaves: “40 acres and a mule”- this was later rescinded but at the time it was a just decision. I don’t know if this current law is a just decision, doesn’t sound like it according to what you and others are saying but I’d like to see the details. Do you have them? 2. I don’t necessarily agree with @squistion about Trump’s motivation and I said so. I also don’t agree with the presumed liberal stereotyping of all white Sourh Africans as racist and wanting to bring back Apartheid, and I wrote that as well. Not sure what else you’re referring to.

Do you have any details on this law and how exactly it will be used?

I thought Trump sent American troops down to the border and that border encounters were already way down. So what are you expecting to happen?

Yes. This is all a show, hopefully. Let’s see what happens with Canada.

I didn’t predict a win, I predicted some performative meaningless action and he would call it a win and you would cheer him on. Case in point: last week Trump called the Mexican national police corrupt thugs who help the cartels smuggle fentanyl and criminals across our border. Now 10,000 of these “corrupt thugs” are coming to our border and suddenly that’s a victory and Trump calls off the tariffs? You’ve been suckered again.