The Real timschochet

The best comparison, in terms of grass roots, to the “No Kings” movement would be the Tea Party movement of 2009-10. Lots of similarities.

It’s the Jews. We’re really good at this.

@Engorgeous George I welcome you to offer an opinion on this response. TIA

I’m sure, since this is your claim in a thread you started, you can provide studies or statistical evidence to support it, and the fact that you haven’t done so up to this point is merely an oversight.

What’s hilarious about your critique is that @EternalShinyAndChrome has made his claim many times and has never provided any kind of evidence at all. That’s why I used the word serious. You have to the best of my knowledge never criticized Eternal for making such a claim without providing any evidence. Yet the minute I offer actual evidence to the contrary you immediately attack it. It’s not like the study I produced is the only one out there. There are plenty of others. I don’t find them shoddy nor evidence of an agenda as you claim. But if either of those points are true then there should be evidence that points in the other direction. You’re welcome to provide it, since Eternal won’t.

I actually do like Florida except for the humidity. Your humidity sucks. Couldn’t live there.

Just for the record: every SERIOUS study of this question shows the opposite: https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups The majority of political violence in this country, by FAR, comes from the right not the left. Not that I care. Violence is awful no matter who does it and normal people on the right or left are not responsible- nobody is except the idiots who commit the violence. But @EternalShinyAndChrome’s claim, which he has made many times in this forum, is completely false.

lol whenever the liberal side is more popular this old excuse gets dragged out. And it’s false anyhow. Liberals work much harder than conservatives do in general. Look at all the fat asses in red states collecting their government benefits. Mostly MAGA crowd. Trust me if we libs in California stopped funding all you lazy asses you’d all be broke. Liberals and undocumented immigrants keep this country afloat.

Hey I don’t automatically slobber over authoritarian figures the way you do. You seem to worship ICE and every Gestapo thing Trump does. That’s your shtick not mine.

Again we don’t know if the authorities incited this incident. They’re reportedly doing that everywhere. And I have to question the accuracy of your reporting since you (a) don’t provide a link and (b) have a very bad reputation here of spreading false stories. But the bigger issue is this: there’s a lot of very justifiable anger against ICE right now. Under Trump and Homan, they are behaving like Gestapo thugs, and the majority of the public do NOT approve. That doesn’t excuse violence against them, but there’s going to be a lot of tension so long as the Trump Administration continues to violate the Constitution.

Actually everything I’m hearing is that the police, at least in Los Angeles, have provoked the violence. That is of course in keeping with the history of these incidents.

Only if you’re willing to extend this forfeiture to any person, or company, that receives government benefits of any kind. But perhaps you are.

So if this is correct, the dude is an anti-abortion nutcase. But you know what? There are millions of Americans who are pro-life and believe that abortion is murder. (I don’t agree). These people are NOT responsible for this nutcase.

You have a point for sure. But on the other hand suppose I really do believe that some of the words you used apply? I’ve always thought Fascist, Nazi, Hitler, is over the top, but I honestly do think that white supremacy does apply to parts of the MAGA movement, and that Tom Homan’s ICE behave like the Gestapo. You’re free to disagree but that’s what I think. Should I hide those thoughts because some idiot nutcase might run with them? Sorry but I’m not going to do that. And neither I nor the MSM are responsible for that nutcase.

Honestly I don’t think China cares too much about this sort of thing. They want us to be a market for their imports and otherwise leave them alone.

Big crowd on PCH; lots of “Stop ICE raids” signs along with “No Kings”. Last week Huntington Beach soundly defeated the MAGA attempt to censor our libraries. Which was heartening. So maybe there’s a change in the air around here? I hope so.

This “he’s one of your crowd” argument is so asinine. Maybe this killer is a flaming liberal. Maybe he’s a MAGA conservative. I really have no idea. What I DO know is that he’s a frigging nutcase and even if he agreed with me 100% of the time, I don’t take ownership of him, I’m not responsible for him, and his insanity doesn’t prove me wrong or right.

Some real ugliness in this thread. From both left and right. Friendly tip: just because somebody here is behaving like an a$$hole doesn’t mean you should imitate him.

OK thank you. Unaware of that part.

I don’t understand how Walz can know for sure at this stage that these murders were politically motivated. The story doesn’t explain that. Usually motivation takes a long time to determine, even when the culprit has been captured.

No you’re right from that perspective. But there is still a significant difference. I think that shortly Iran and Israel are going to stop bombing each other and this latest incident will be exactly that, an incident. On the other hand, for Ukraine-Russia to be over, Russia is going to have to pull their forces out of Ukraine, or Ukraine is going to have to surrender territory, or some combination of the two.

I missed this post earlier but it’s not very smart. Iran has twice the population of Iraq, 6 times the land area, and incredibly more resources. There is a reason we have never tried to invade Iran. (Among other things, Iran if it chose could block the Strait of Hormuz, threatening the entire world’s supply of oil. Israel does not have the ability to invade Iran. We do, theoretically, but it would take millions of men and lead to mass casualties. It would not be easy at all.

No this is a poor analysis. I don’t really want to speak for leftists but I don’t believe they think as you describe. Personally as a liberal I have never been comfortable with the idea of the Iranian mullahs having a nuclear weapon. I would rather they didn’t have one and I think military intervention is justifiable to prevent them from having one. But that said I’m not convinced they would use it if they had it; after all Pakistan, a fundamentalist Muslim nation, has had nukes for 40 years and never used them. Certainly they hate India as much or more than the Mullahs of Iran hate Israel. So I reject your assertion as absolute. Even so it’s too big a risk to take in my estimation.

We are not. A “full blown war” means the army of one side invades the land of the other side, as Russia has done with Ukraine. What’s going on is serious but it’s not a war.

Do you really think it’s outlandish to argue that Gavin Newsom is currently the frontrunner to be the next Democratic Party candidate for President?