The Real timschochet

Hey if the hood fits…

If you can’t think of one, the Horst Wessel song will do nicely. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied

Speak for yourself buddy.

Another good idea. Of course he doesn’t mention that it was Trump who put these in in the first place as a means to punish blue states, particularly New York and California.

I actually don’t mind this idea. In theory. Though it will never happen because he doesn’t have that power and Congress won’t agree. But it’s still amusing to hear conservatives continue to attack Harris for interfering with the free market while ignoring Trump proposals to do the same.

Second time someone’s posted this in a couple of days. What you got? Latest poll I saw is Harris by 10. 538 aggregate has Harris by 7. What are we missing?

I owe it to the moonlight on a hot summer night.

Robinson is going down but we knew that before these latest revelations. The real question is will he carry Trump with him?

I would never argue they’ve added nothing but positive. I say they’re a net positive but @jerryskids is right: I say that about ALL immigrants because unless you’re a Native American it’s been largely true.

An electoral landslide is certainly possible- I could see Harris winning every battleground state. It’s entirely possible. On the other hand I could see her winning a very close contest decided basically by Pennsylvania. And I could see her losing a close contest by losing Pennsylvania- that could happen quite easily too. But I don’t see Trump winning a landslide. If Trump wins it’s going to be close.

A few of the posts here have been funny. Most are pretty scary and depressing.

Here is the incredible sad irony about folks like @jerryskids who are complaining, without real evidence or foundation, that the infusion of Haitian immigrants in Springfield Ohio is a burden on that community: the death threats, the school closures, the festival cancellation- these have cost Springfield millions of dollars, far more than any burden that the immigrants might have caused. If @jerryskids or anyone else here truly cared about the poor folks of Springfield they would call on Trump and Vance to stop the lies, publicly proclaim they were untrue, and demand all the threats stop. But of course they won’t. Because none of these folks really care what happens over there; it’s just a political prop.

I don’t always say it’s good thing but in truth I don’t know when it’s ever been a bad thing. I can’t think of any historical examples of that and this is a history (immigration to America) that I’ve studied pretty carefully for a long long time. Is that childish? Maybe in your world, not mine.

Nope. And your phrase is a contradiction.

It’s bigoted to collectivize to a large group. It’s bigoted to suggest that they represent a problem or burden on our society because of supposed bad driving skills. I don’t regard you as a bigoted person but these are unintentional bigoted comments IMO. Let’s bottom line this: none of the reasons you offered is enough to justify not having these people here or reporting them. It’s good for us that they’re here. We should bring more in.

I think today is the last day to drop out for North Carolina. Though it would certainly help Trump and hurt Harris for Robinson to be replaced on the ticket I wouldn’t mind. It’s a disgrace that a guy like Mark Robinson is the GOP candidate for governor anywhere.

Google doesn’t always help you link to the racist sites like Stormfront or wherever you hang out when you’re not here. Often it takes a little digging.

Not sure what Robinson could say that would be worse than what he’s already said on record.

“They don’t drive well”- I don’t regard you as a bigot but this was a bigoted statement. It’s beneath you (but not beneath some other posters in this forum.) Perhaps you’d like to retract it?

@jerryskids quotes from the article the horrible accident last year where a Haitian without a drivers license hit a school bus, killing one child and injuring dozens of others. Thats awful, obviously, but it caused Jerry to write this: They can’t drive well or read road signs This is the sort of bigotry that has unfortunately become so popular in the Trump era, especially against migrants of a different skin color. It’s no different from using terrible anecdotes of rapes and murders to argue that migrants are violent criminals. It’s awful, shameful, and I wish that as a society we could move away from it.

No I read it. You’re cherry picking. You avoided quoting the rest of the article which refutes your overall point. Sure there are growing pains which happens whenever there is an increase in population. But overall these folks are a benefit and most of the crap you wrote isn’t happening. Which of us isn’t serious again?

I did. I just posted a comprehensive article . While it does discuss some growing pains on the community like more car accidents (without the bigoted explanation you offered) it refutes your main points and discusses the net economic benefits.

It really isn’t. Unfortunately @jerryskids is repeating xenophobic falsehoods here. Here is an article from Reuters which contradicts his assertions: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/

Actually he did. According to the Wall Street Journal he sent his people to investigate; they were told by the lady that the cat had been found. JD learned this and decided to publicly double down on the lie anyhow.

Do you have any evidence for any of this? I can accept the argument that social services have been taxed but I’m skeptical that anyone already there has been directly affected. The part about them not driving well and causing accidents sounds like total bullsh!t and I doubt you have anything but anecdotes loosely offered. Same for taking jobs away. I suspect that since these folks were invited there to fulfill a real economic need, that it’s the opposite of your assertions: they’re actually a boon to the economy of the region. And the antipathy to them is based on xenophobia and racism.