The Real timschochet

Yeah except that Lance Twiggs is not only non-violent but helped the police apprehend his boyfriend and is closely working with them now. Probably deserves a medal no? (I didn’t know any of this but @HellToupee was kind enough to link the story.)

Seems like this part is being forgotten. So based on what I’m reading here: Twiggs knew nothing about the murder, was aghast that it happened, was pivotal to the arrest and has been closely cooperating with the police? So in other words he’s one of the heroes in this story? I appreciate learning this, HellToupee.

I made two statements. The first one, that transgenders are mostly non-violent and are themselves often victims of violence, is easily provable by statistical studies which I have presented before and which you’re capable of finding with a simple Google search. Latest stats show that transgenders are four times more likely to be physically attacked than cisgenders (non-trans). The second statement, that trans is not a mental illness, is based on the American Medical Association and every other respected medical authority in this country. Again this is easily verifiable through Google if you wish. So yes it would be correct to label my statements as facts and not based on emotion. On the other hand how should we label your denial of those statements?

You imply that they’re all crazy and violent. Whenever there is a mass shooter you immediately question if the person is a tranny. Your views on this issue are based on fear and ignorance. Whether or not you directly advocate violence against them is immaterial. The point is that extreme people who read the sort of BS you spew (or even more likely hear it from provocateurs like Charlie Kirk) will commit violence against trannies. Here is a record of how bad it’s gotten: https://vawnet.org/sc/serving-trans-and-non-binary-survivors-domestic-and-sexual-violence/violence-against-trans-and

The old Israel Gaza thread seems to be missing (in any case I can’t find it) so I started a new one. Apologies if I missed it. In any case: 1. I believe the current Israeli government is guilty of genocide in their systemic, deliberate starvation of the Palestinian people in Gaza. 2. I support the Israeli government doing an about face here and, as of today, allowing humanitarian aid in. This will save lives. Point #2 is a big part of the reason I continue to support Israel and see them as good guys. Good countries, including the United States, have committed bad acts. We have committed genocide ourselves in the past. The difference is when we do bad stuff we try to to fix it, we acknowledge our mistakes and wrongdoings, we try to make amends. My right wing friends think Israel can do no wrong. My left wing friends think Israel is evil. Both are wrong. Hamas is evil. Israel is a good country who sometimes does bad things. That being said, Netanyahu is a bad man who needs to be removed from office and probably charged with war crimes.

It’s possible. Doesn’t change what I wrote.

Shades of Oswald Mosley.

On the topic at hand: it wouldn’t surprise me if the reporting is true. But I strongly and firmly disagree with the implications that the usual suspects are making: 1. Most transgender people are not violent; they are, rather, the victims of violence and persecution against them. 2. Tramsgender people are not mentally ill. Nothing that happened here is going to change these two facts, no matter how much bigotry and ignorance is perpetuated.

And Tennesee Georgia

Somebody asked where I was? Watching football.

Good morning. I’ve avoided posting in the Charlie Kirk thread out of respect and because I remembered the reaction to the first attempt to assassinate Donald Trump- I knew that emotions would run high and I had no desire to contribute to what would inevitably be a very ugly back and forth. I would however, like to engage in a larger discussion about political violence in this country. There are three essential points I would like to make, keeping in mind that these are my opinions only: First, we are kidding ourselves by trying to pretend that political violence and assassinations are not normal in this country. Unfortunately the opposite is true: from Alexander Hamilton to Abraham Lincoln to JFK to the present day, this is who we are as a nation. We are a violent country and we more often than not settle our differences with violence. All those of goodwill would like it to be otherwise, but that’s not who we’ve been. What happened to Charlie Kirk is exactly who we’ve been. Second, political violence is not mostly caused by conservatives and is not mostly caused by liberals. Nor is it necessarily caused by extremists from either side (though this might be more often than not.) It is caused by people from all sides who are passionate about their beliefs and have decided that violence is the best means to achieve their goals. I would argue further that most of these people are not mentally ill; they made conscious, rational decisions to get to this point, even if (hopefully) most of us would disagree with that decision. Third: reading the Charlie Kirk thread, if one is able to put aside the threats and insults, the main argument being made by conservatives is that those of us on the left are culpable because our rhetoric against conservatives has, in recent times, been extremist, which invites violence against prominent conservatives. There is merit to this argument. I’m not going to pretend otherwise. Nor am I going to engage in whataboutisms though I could, because they’re irrelevant to the charge. (If I do something wrong my guilt is not lessened by the fact that others committed the same wrong, even if those others are the ones charging me with the crime.) What I WILL say is that, while I can’t speak for others, whenever I have used extremist language to describe aspects of the MAGA movement it was not done out of provocation but because I believe it to be true. My defense, therefore, is essentially integrity in my arguments. No doubt this will either not be believed or will not be acceptable to many here. But there it is.

It’s not rational to want no Muslims in this country. It’s hateful bigotry and it can easily lead to violence against innocent people.

Nice response. Thanks for revealing that you’re a waste of time.

I don’t think anyone who has cheered for cities to burn down should be calling anyone else a blowhard. But putting that aside, unless you’re willing to acknowledge that Trump’s irresponsible rhetoric is the worst by any leader you don’t have any credibility on this topic.

Again what’s your point? I don’t agree with much of that rhetoric. A lot is over the top. Democrats are certainly guilty. But nobody is MORE guilty than Donald Trump. He is by far the worst and I already gave you only a few examples. Surely you have acknowledge this? If you don’t you’re just being dishonest.

I am not going to argue with your ignorance and bigotry. If you want to truly learn about whether or not American Muslims have contributed to this nation you can. I suggest you educate yourself on this topic; it’s never too late. And while you haven’t directly advocated violence your ignorant and bigoted rhetoric on Islam makes it easier for deranged people to attack Muslims, believing they are saving us from evil. So according to the arguments I have heard over the last few days, YOU will be guilty of anything bad happens to Muslims in the future. So, by the way, is Charlie Kirk. He spewed the same kind of hatred towards Muslims you are spewing only far worse.

He shouldn’t have said that. It wasn’t good. But it still doesn’t even come close to the stuff Trump has said. It’s almost laughable that you even bring it up.

Leaders on all sides of the political spectrum have been guilty of making provocative statements that could be seen as inciting or promoting violence. But in the entire history of this country there is nobody who has done this with more regularity than President Trump. He is by far the worst leader we have ever had when it comes to calling for acts of violence and it’s not particularly close. Here is an article from last year which cites only a few of the literally hundreds of examples: https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-04/the-people-and-groups-trump-has-threatened-with-violence If we’re going to condemn this sort of behavior (and we must) on all sides we have to start with Trump.

Then you’re one of the guilty ones. Actually as I recall you might be the guiltiest person here since you’ve directly wished violence on my family and several others.

Then you’re one of the guilty ones. Based on the arguments I’ve been hearing the last few days, your bigotry is responsible for all this violence.

Yes. If Pelosi is ever attacked again am I allowed to blame @Tree of Knowledge?

Serious question: if any Democratic politicians are physically attacked or murdered in the future, am I allowed to blame @Maximum Overkill for constantly labeling them as “Pedocrats”?

Serious question: if Mamdani is a victim of political violence (he receives many death threats daily) am I allowed to blame some of the people in this thread?

Well we already know what they were saying in this forum after Paul Pelosi was attacked. Didn’t the guy who started this thread inform us that it was Pelosi’s gay lover?

Trump has demanded NATO allies stop buying oil from Russia: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/09/13/trump-russia-nato-putin-trade-sanctions-.html He’s absolutely right. This is in fact the key to getting peace. If Germany and the rest halt their purchasing along with stronger U.S. sanctions, Putin will fold. I’m surprised and pleased by President Trump’s comments here. Hopefully for once he doesn’t back down.