The Real timschochet

Well they’re still hoping for the .5 point but will be satisfied with the .25. Me I am really hoping for the .5 as I have an investment property I would very much like to refinance. But I don’t think it’s in the cards now…

You seem to be taking issue with my statement that political violence is not particularly the work of conservatives or liberals. You are a partisan conservative and believe that it is mostly the work of liberals. I don’t think I’m going to convince you otherwise. But I will simply point out that your beliefs on this are largely based on emotion and selective memory rather than on a really objective analysis. IMO.

Between your point of view and @Strike I tend to lean towards his. But again, not sure.

The inflation report is bad. 2.9%. Look for the interest rate cut to be no more than .25 because of this. Not the .5 Wall Street was expecting and hoping for.

Lol. I know. We can always hope though. It’s already led to some, right?

I guess I was trying to make the point earlier that we should define political violence as morally wrong behavior, always unacceptable in a civil society. By chalking it up to mental illness the concern is that we move away from the “wrongness” of the act. But I don’t understand enough about mental illness to properly make that argument.

Good question. I don’t know. Probably. I certainly think they’re evil. I should probably bow out of commenting further on this as I am not educated enough on this issue to comment intelligently.

I guess this depends on your definition. It seems to me that someone who is able to plan an assassination involving killing someone with a rifle at long range and then escaping afterwards is performing a series of rational acts that a mentally ill person would likely be incapable of.

Nonetheless I appreciate that you did.

Thank you. In response: 1. There is a tendency among both conservatives and liberals to point out problems with the other team and avoid pointing out problems with their own team. I don’t think I’m particularly guilty of this but I’m sure you can find instances where I am. 2. During Trump’s first term, I was quick to criticize the use of “Nazi” rhetoric. If you recall I was really bothered by AOC calling detention camps “concentration camps” and said so at the time. I still bridle at anyone who calls Trump evil or Hitler. But I personally have compared ICE to the Gestapo. And I have accused Trump of authoritarianism and consider him a threat to our democracy. Again this is because I honestly believe it to be so. Should I hide these beliefs because saying them out loud might lead to an act of political violence? I don’t think so. If I was being dishonest, and simply out to provoke, then your argument would have more merit IMO. But I am not.

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-russia-ukraine-poland-war-trump-article-4-2127472 No response yet from President Trump.

Let’s put this discussion aside for the day. The news about Charlie Kirk is awful. I won’t pretend I’m a fan but political violence is always wrong. I’m not going to post in that thread out of respect for those who are fans of his. I hope he recovers. In a few days maybe we can return to this discussion.

I attribute high crime to poverty, poor education, single parent households. Minorities suffer from these problems at a higher rate than white people. There are a variety of reasons for this. Racial attributes aren’t one of them.

This is some sick sh!t.

I don’t blame you for the attack. And yes it may very well have been racist. I just don’t think it should be used to make larger statements about crime in our society and how black people are dangerous, etc and white people should be afraid of them. That’s what Trump and MAGA are doing, and that’s what I think is ugly bigotry. And they do this a lot. They blame all black people for the acts committed by one. They blame all undocumented immigrants for acts done by a few. And Muslims. And trannies. And Cdub100 blames Jews as well. It’s stupid, lazy. hateful.

Interesting that you respond to his anti-Semitic post by criticizing me. Very revealing.

Yes

Sorry he did respond on Truth Social: “What’s with Russia violating Poland’s air space? Here we go.” Whatever that means.

They shouldn’t be. But unfortunately minorities need to be afraid of white police. The Supreme Court just made that worse. But it’s never been good.

I have. What’s the use? People like you just ignore them in favor of your emotional, fearful, bigoted beliefs. Go read the book White Rage and get back to me.

Never. Minorities can certainly be racist. But they don’t control the levers of society.

I love all the analysis. But if you’re really trying to figure out me or the other Tim, it’s pretty simple: we’re the normal ones. We have normal views about race and racism. We’re not extreme anything. We take the reasonable approach to these issues.

The shift in opinion needs to come from the other side. It needs to come from white conservatives who need to finally accept the fact that: 1. They are not victims in our society. 2. Racism against minorities still goes on, big time. 3. Ad a general rule they don’t have to be scared of black and brown people, it’s the other way around. When white conservatives finally accept these obvious truths we will live in a much better society.

Bullsh!t. And from a constant troll no less.

I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone. The NC murder SHOULD be diminished- not because it wasn’t awful, but because the reaction to it is so racist and ugly.