The Real timschochet

Can you imagine what the result would have been if January 6 had been a black riot? Say on behalf of President Obama? If Black protestors had stormed the Capitol they wouldn’t be in prison and they wouldn’t be sending cases to the Supreme Court. They’d all be dead.

But see- that law only applies to minorities: black activists, students protesting for Palestinians, etc. it was never meant to apply to white right wingers.

Also with regard to police arresting minorities and dragging them away: keep in mind that we have a major Presidential candidate who is publicly calling for the immediate arrest and deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants, and at the same time wants to give police full immunity from their actions. Try to consider what the results of these two proposals will be should they ever come to pass.

At first they didn’t say anything. They grabbed him and handcuffed him in front of his kids and put him in a police car. He didn’t struggle though he did keep asking “what’s going on?” His wife was screaming. Later on I learned they held him for several hours before releasing him. This treatment, in parts of Los Angeles, is not unusual.

You keep using this nickname for Biden but it really describes Trump far more accurately.

Glad this guy is in prison where he belongs.

It’s one of the best songs of the year. Not sure which album is better, Beyonce or Taylor Swift. Both amazing.

Good point. Given the evidence Trump ought to change his plea to guilty. What defense can he possibly offer?

I am opposed to all of the examples you listed. They’re really not relevant to this discussion, however.

Not even sure where to start. Driving in a wealthy neighborhood? Followed by security in department stores? Dragged away by police because there was a report of a robbery in the area? (This last one I personally witnessed a few years back- a black friend of mine invited me to a picnic with his family at Echo Park in Los Angeles and a couple cops came up and grabbed him and handcuffed him because he matched the description of an armed robber- the description was “black man”.) These are abuses that black people have to deal with on a daily basis.

Not quite. It’s part of a bigger pattern in which innocent black people who have committed no crime are also stopped and harassed by police in percentages much larger than the general population.

Obviously because women don’t commit crimes in the same numbers men do. Your point seems to be that these men are committing crimes. I’ve never argued otherwise.

According to you if the police behave badly in this situation, the protestors instigated it. When the police behave badly against young black men, the young black men instigated it. You seem incapable of blaming the police in any given situation. Unless, perhaps, the death of Ashli Babbitt?

I’m not looking for anything. Personally I wish the police were as colorblind as most of you guys seem to think they are.

When the ACLU condemns how the police are acting, that should be a sign to everyone that the police are acting badly. The ACLU almost never gets this stuff wrong (or nearly anything IMO).

Sure: you have to wait a few minutes until the 4 minute mark. Here’s another: https://youtu.be/FlVq2t6RhzI?si=Ffqtsk9YRxLS7ceL

IF they break the laws, disperse them, arrest them. Thats fine. Anybody who is violent, put them away, got no problem with that. If they’re yelling hateful rhetoric disperse them but don’t arrest unless they physically resist. But from everything I’m reading, a lot of the times the police are actually instigating the violence- again, similar to the Vietnam War protests.

And I could give you interviews from MSNBC and CNN with students, telling you that they don’t have anything to do with the hate speech. I posted you a story written by a Jewish protester. Did you believe that? We need to be very careful here or there’s going to be another Kent State massacre.

This is the same David Marcus of Fox News, the MAGA guy who wrote a book about COVID lies? No I don’t believe him. The majority of protestors are not HAMAS supporters, are not anti-Semitic. I’m guessing he was very selective about who he talked to. You guys are being fed bullsh!t and you’re sucking it up.

You should study some history before you spew nonsense: https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties

Nope. Those were the Democrats. In those days Democrats were conservative and Republicans were liberal. Didn’t start changing until FDR and not fully until the 60s. Liberals fight for social change. Conservatives try to hold on to the way things are. In the case of slavery and Jim Crow, the ones fighting against it have always been liberal.

IMO this is your biggest flaw.

Some of them. The liberal ones.

Of course the answer is no. We’ve had 400 years of slavery and racism. You eliminate that overnight and things don’t change. But there would be improvement and I disagree that it would be nominal.

I’m always willing to consider different perspectives. Thank you for yours. That said, we disagree. We might not disagree on solutions, that remains to be seen.