The Real timschochet

@jon_mx is correct. The number of black voters supporting Trump has increased. The polls definitely show this. And if these numbers are actually representative of what happens in November, Biden is in real trouble. But I don’t think they will be. Between now and November Biden will have to work some at getting these voters back but I’m pretty sure he will. I’m frankly more concerned about Latino voters. They’re the ones leaving the Democratic Party in droves. They need to be reminded that Trump won’t do them any favors.

I’m actually pretty impressed by the speed in which they’re getting jurors. Everyone says it would take at least 2 weeks. Now it looks like opening statements might begin next week.

It’s important too to remember the context of The River War- Churchill attempting to justify Kitchener’s imperialism in Sudan.

@jerryskids there is probably no person in modern world history that I admire more than Winston Churchill. And no I don’t believe his comments that you quoted are racist. (Churchill did make racist comments elsewhere, unfortunately, but these don’t apply.) Racism doesn’t occur when you describe negative characteristics of a group of people who believe the same thing, as Churchill did here. It occurs when you describe negative characteristics of a group of people based not on their beliefs, but on their skin color or ethnicity. And bigotry occurs in both cases if you take these negative characteristics and ascribe them to any individual of that group. With regard to my last sentence- if you say, “here is a Muslim country, I don’t like their beliefs, I don’t want those beliefs brought over here”, there is nothing wrong with that sentiment. But if you say “here is a family of refugees or immigrants from that Muslim country, they might share that countries’ beliefs which I don’t like, so I don’t want these people here”, THAT is a bigoted attitude that I oppose.

I should be asleep right now but your gross hyperbole woke me up.

Because it’s sleazy and they were concerned with the political consequences. Doesn’t mean Bragg made the wrong decision.

Political persecution my a$S. Next time don’t pay off porn stars right before an election. Lock up this motherfocker, seriously.

Like most of you (I suspect) I have friends and family who are both liberal and conservative, and the most common reaction I am getting from them, with regard to Trump, is neither love nor hatred but fatigue. They are sick and tired of hearing about the guy, all the court cases, all the other stuff. I have no idea how this will affect November, if at all. Most conservatives who are sick of Trump aren’t exactly going to vote for Joe Biden or stay at home. But the weariness and desire to move on is certainly there. (To be fair many want to move on from Biden as well.)

I think what you’re trying to say is that he left behind a bunch of racist a$$holes pissed off about a black President, and THAT paved the way for Trump.

Welcome to the circle jerk Horseman! All your old friends are here.

For you Jerry https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-withdrawal-five-years-later.html

He ended it. It was foolish. Your education is now complete!

Apparently we don’t have nothing, we have George Soros! In his 90s but the dude is everywhere

Well we may have to cheat again to win this time. Myself I plan on voting early and often. Then I’m loading up a bus filled with undocumented immigrants and we’re driving to Nevada- it’s a swing state (California isn’t.) We will try to stop at every polling booth from Vegas to Reno.

This is demonstrably the exact opposite of the truth, luckily for us so far. But we are in a very precarious situation, largely due to two men: Donald Trump, who foolishly ended the Iranian nuclear deal, and Netanyahu who for his own purposes wants the USA and Iran to be in a major war with each other. If this thing goes downhill they will be the ones to blame, though it won’t matter since we will all be screwed.

I do believe you about this part. I know that for many (most?) conservatives the support for Trump is largely transactional and there are many like you who see it as a big fock you to liberals. I get that. Even with those that claim to love Trump, a lot of it is shtick (at least around here.)

I believe Trump is a Protestant.

Just to correct you on two points: if Trump is found guilty in this trial, the judge cannot sentence him to a federal prison, and Trump cannot pardon himself of a state conviction. If Trump is convicted and then re-elected, or re-elected and then convicted, the judge would sentence him, likely to prison, and Trump would serve the sentence after his term in the White House has expired.

I don’t watch Bill Maher. If he had a discussion about it I’m unaware.

Well obviously we disagree: I think Trump should only blame himself for all of these indictments- he is the guy who broke the law in each case. But putting that disagreement aside, you agree that people seem tired of the whole business?

For once I have to agree with Strike. And you didn’t even mention the fact that jury selection is going to go on for at least 2 more weeks.

Well except where it quotes him saying it. Dude,, the guy wants to impose an authoritarian regime along the lines of Viktor Orban in Hungary. He’s said it over and over and his biggest fans approve. Not saying he’ll get away with it; wobbly as our safeguards are we will probably prevent it should he win. But this denial of the facts by conservatives is pretty depressing.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3760916-trump-calls-for-termination-of-election-rules-in-constitution-to-overturn-2020-election/ https://prospect.org/politics/2023-07-18-donald-trump-plotting-make-himself-dictator/

It’s even more of a major problem for Trump. He has vowed to do away with it.

Operation Warp Speed is why Trump gets a D- on Covid and not an F. He was barely involved at all with Operation Warp Speed, was completely disinterested but at least he didn’t try to stop it.