The Real timschochet

I wasn’t insulting you. I was just stating a fact. It doesn’t have to be a permanent fact. Offer some opinion for once. A fresh thought. You’ll notice I disagree with @Mark Davis and @Voltaire and many others around here but I never call them stupid. Because they’re not. They engage in thoughtful discussion. They don’t spend 100% of their posts attacking other people. Who knows? Maybe behind the stupid posts and constant personal attacks there is a sharp incisive mind. I would have no way of knowing.

I admit it is difficult for me to judge intelligence when you present yourself to me on the scale. So long as I am forced to assess you first as the result of your posts, grading on a curve makes Biden and everyone else seem genius.

It’s not the same thing. They say, correctly, that Trump belongs in jail because Trump has committed specific crimes that deserve jail time. Trump says his opponents belong in jail for no reason other than they oppose him. Surely you see the difference? And no this is not normal for an American politician. Even Nixon never went this far. Trump is uniquely awful.

I think he’s competent now. He just has more trouble than ever expressing it. But I have no doubt that he’s of sound mind and his effectiveness as President has been extraordinary.

It’s a long article. Keep reading you’ll get there.

So now we get to phase 2, as we always do with Trump supporters: “he just says stuff he doesn’t mean it.” This is after you argued that he never said it. I hope you’re right. But what I really hope is that we never have to find out.

You’ve reached caricature status at this point.

Better. Those nations have and will benefit greatly from increased immigration. Nations that view immigration as a problem always suffer.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/13/17823488/hungary-democracy-authoritarianism-trump A good summary.

I certainly hope the electorate is as “wrong” as I am. Sadly all too many of them share your views on the MSM and this poisons their ability to think clearly on these issues.

We just seem to live on two different planets. The NY trial wasn’t bogus; none of the indictments are. Joe Biden has had nothing to do with the Trump’s legal troubles; he has these troubles because he is a corrupt person who has broken the law many times. But ever if you were right about Biden, which you’re not, aren’t you just moving the goalposts? You claimed you’ve never heard examples of Trump’s threat to our democracy. I gave you several and now your argument is that Biden does it too? Why not just admit you were wrong in the first place?

Yeah we certainly don’t see eye to eye on this. I regard Biden’s trade policies as easily the worst aspect of his Presidency. Free trade is the key to American prosperity. The last time we were this hostile to it in both parties it led to the Great Depression. This time it may be worse.

We actually have one of those now. If these are truly the things you care about why would you ever choose Donald Trump?

I think you need to attend a good Passover dinner. Have some Matzoh ball soup, some brisket, you’ll feel better about the Jews. But I’m not inviting you to mine.

Are you really suggesting that because Orban is popular with Hungarians that makes his dictatorship OK? And what the fock does any of this have to do with Joy Reid? I rarely watch her. There are some shows on MSNBC I watch regularly; hers is not one of them.

And you have been manipulated as well. It seems impossible that you have never seen Trump say what he wants to do. I simply don’t get it. Since you asked here are some direct quotes by Donald Trump regarding his desire to jail his enemies: “Democrats need to start being indicted!” ”Alvin Bragg must be put in prison!” “Letitia James and Arthur Engoron must be placed under citizens arrest!” “Jack Smith must be locked up and throw away the key!” All of those are Truth Social quotes. They’ve been all over the news. Yet somehow you’ve never seen any of them, right? How is that possible? And how the fock can you or anyone else claim that this guy isn’t a threat to our democracy. Again he wants to IMPRISON all of his enemies!!! I can easily produce direct quotes for all the other stuff I mentioned- his desire to have the military and police be loyal to him with unlimited power, his plans to curtail the freedom of the press and judges, his desire to abrogate election results he doesn’t like. It’s all on Truth Social and in his speeches. But the real question is how are you unaware of it?

This was a book by journalists, not by opinion makers (like Bill O’ Reilly.) I rarely read books by opinion makers and if I do I expect them to be biased. I don’t expect books from the MSM to be biased because the MSM is not biased, no matter how much you and others insist that it is. Sadly it is YOU who have been manipulated. That book is filled with well documented well sourced reporting and you’re rejecting it out of hand, which Donald Trump wants you to do.

He’s not trying to debate me. He’s attacking the source without bothering to read it. Nothing will convince him- or you. That’s the problem when you guys no longer trust the MSM. There is no source of news that I can offer you that you will accept. Your last sentence is incorrect. I don’t wonder why people engage me the way they do. I know why they do it in most cases. In your case it’s because you’re an idiot.

You know I started to do this but I realized that all you’ll do is question the sources, call them liars, try to parse the statements to mean something they don’t, etc. It’s a waste of time. If you’re truly interested this stuff is easily accessible all over the internet.

If you had bothered to read the book you would know that it completely relies on interviews with people who worked in the Trump White House.

Once again you’re making sh!t up like the liar and fool you are.

Not sure what evidence I can provide beyond the book I named and his public statements. You dismiss them anyhow because you wish to remain ignorant on this subject.

First off let me refute your third sentence. During the 4 years that Donald Trump was President he was absolutely a threat to democracy, but was consistently prevented from achieving his aims by the guardrails in place, men like John Kelly, James Mattis, Mark Milley, and others. None of these people will be there this time around. It would take me too long to describe all the ways these men saved this nation from Donald Trump and what it would have been like if they hadn’t been around, but if you want details please read the book The Divider which describes everything in full. To answer your question more specifically : Donald Trump wants to emulate his hero Viktor Orban, who took over a democratic republic and has converted it to an autocracy. Orban has accomplished this feat by jailing his opponents, heavily restricting the freedom of the press, increasing the power of police and military and demanding that these forces serve him rather than the nation, controlling the judicial system, and severely limiting voting and elections. Donald Trump has publicly spoken out in favor of all of these moves and seeks to do them all himself. Whether or not he succeeds if elected again is an open question but we know now that he will not be prosecuted for making the effort. Is that specific enough for you?

This is pretty accurate.

Maybe. I’ve had a gun at my head and I didn’t react well. But I don’t hold myself out to be a hero. This worship of a coward like Trump is really nauseating.