The Real timschochet

Whats your point? If they were a benefit then they’re even more of one now. If they weren’t violent criminals then they aren’t now either. All of the same facts remain true.

Of course. I figure there are about 15 million now. But they’re even more a net benefit than they were before.

You must be a pretty fast reader. I guess you overlooked the list of monetary contributions by state? Here’s more: The economic benefits of illegal immigration outweigh the costs: https://phys.org/news/2020-05-economic-benefits-illegal-immigration-outweigh.amp The truth about illegal immigration and crime: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/29/truth-about-illegal-immigration-crime/ Note: before somebody comments, I have no problem with the phrase “illegal immigration” because that’s what it is. I DO have a problem with calling people illegals.

Just for you @Baker Boy https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/issues/undocumented-immigrants/

I’ve provided them already, not just in this thread but literally dozens of times.

Pretty sure he will have to go to prison for a few years.

Well here’s the thing. When I make these claims (that undocumented immigrants are a net economic benefit, that they commit less violent crime by percentage than native born citizens), I always back them up with studies and statistical data. All of you guys that disagree with me, you have a bunch of really ugly anecdotes. No evidence, no data. Just a lot of scapegoating. You also have, unfortunately, a plurality of Americans who probably agree with you on a lot of this. But all of the evidence out there suggests that I’m right and you’re wrong.

As I wrote, they’re a net benefit. Nearly 100% of what you’ve been told about undocumented immigrants, what conservatives believe, is rooted in lies, fear and bigotry. They are NOT an economic burden. They do NOT commit violent crime at a larger rate that people born here. They are NOT here to replace us, or to vote Democrat. This doesn’t need to be the #1 issue for people. Ridiculous that it is.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/ As of 2016 it was 12 billion a year. It’s gone way up since then. Oh and they’re not illegal. They’re undocumented. There’s no such thing as an illegal person.

They have to pay a pretty large sales tax to the state of California. And all kinds of other taxes and fees to keep their doors open. They pay plenty. They also keep prices low. Their contributions are a huge net positive, they don’t cost you a cent.

They pay plenty.

Freeloading my ass. They ARE our economy.

They’d do it anyway. Most of the retail businesses in California are owned by new immigrants: Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners: Thwy hire family members and undocumented friends from the same country. Everyone is paid under the table. Minimum wage laws have nothing to do with it.

Again what you’re relating has no bearing on reality here in California. Small business food retail is thriving. It’s fully rebounded from Covid. And with most small businesses, minimum wage really isn’t relevant because they pay employees under the table. A majority of small restaurants here use undocumented labor: I keep trying to tell you guys this but you don’t listen.

Pretty exciting news!

I don’t eat fast food. What’s the question?

I don’t operate fast food.

I work in retail.

No he’s not. You’re being lied to.

Well that’s true enough.

I’m flattered you’re reading me in all kinds of forums. I assume you’re somebody I know? I’m guessing it’s Tonydead again. But I stand by that. I’d love a forum where people weren’t referred to as gimps. This obviously isn’t the place.

You seem afraid of opposing views. No wonder you’re a Trump supporter.

No. Biden is not federalizing police. He does not call opponents vermin. He has not abrogated the Constitution. He is not a dictator by any rational definition. Sorry.

Here is a thread in which we can combine the irrational fear of immigrants with the even more irrational fear of trans people. It’s a MAGA 2 for 1!

Only last night Trump promised to federalize the local police of this country. Once again he referred to undocumented immigrants as animals and vermin. He has called for abrogating the Constitution. He continually threatens political violence: So I don’t think any of this is an exaggeration. And I absolutely believe that Trump wants a dictatorship. And there is no equivalence on the Democratic side.