The Real timschochet

It makes you a nationalist conservative. Not a libertarian. Nothing wrong with that. Correction: even a libertarian can believe in secure borders and fair trade. But if you want to limit immigration and deport all the undocumented people, and if you want to attempt to enforce free trade through tariffs, then you move away from libertarianism towards nationalism. Again, nothing wrong with that except that IMO your ideas are bad for this country.

I agree with you as a general rule but there ARE core values in each political movement and this is one of them. For example, you couldn’t identify as an economic conservative and at the same time be for higher taxes and big government spending. Immigration and free trade are central libertarian ideas

No you’re not. Your views on trade and immigration are inconsistent with libertarian values (small l). You can call yourself one if you like but it’s not a correct definition.

Libertarian views can’t “shift”, if they do they’re no longer libertarians, no matter what they call themselves. The traditional libertarian stance is to be for greater immigration both documented and undocumented. Trump is for neither. Most people, including libertarians, would prefer if our foreign trading partners would treat us as fairly as we’ve treated them in the past. I would prefer this too. The question is what to do when they don’t. The traditional libertarian position is to continue to have free trade on our end because it ultimately benefits us anyhow. Trump’s position is to use tariffs to try to force our partners to trade fairly, or to “protect” our own industries from what he regards as unfair competition. Thats contradictory to the libertarian view.

I think this is a pretty good definition. But it contradicts a lot of Trump policies wouldn’t you say? Particularly on trade and immigration.

Biden is losing right now. If the election were held today, Biden would likely be defeated. But it’s not 6 points and you’re getting awfully overconfident. This is a going to be a very close race, down to the wire either way. My theory of the race is pretty much unchanged: that at some point between now and October, most likely right after Labor Day, two things will happen: first independent voters will decide that it’s a binary choice, will shudder at the possibility of a return of Trump, and will swing decisively for Biden. Second, disaffected liberals will return to the fold, hold their noses and vote for Joe. And these two effects will give Biden the edge, at least in Pennsylvania and Michigan, and give Biden the victory. Am I sure this is going to happen? Less so than I was a few months ago, but I still think the odds are good, well over 50%. We’ll see.

It’s irrational to be a libertarian and at the same time a supporter of Donald Trump. Trump’s views on trade, immigration and nationalism alone are contrary to the core values of libertarianism.

Unfortunately it isn’t.

I know this has always been your opinion. I disagree, but it depends on the pollster and the question being asked.

Really not an either-or. Putting aside all other issues, the aid we give Ukraine, which is mostly money sent to our own industries, is a boon to our economy. Mass deportations would be a major detriment, as well as making the Ukraine spending look like pennies on the dollar.

So here’s another way I don’t believe the polls: the ones that suggest that if Trump is found guilty in New York, he will lose up to 20% of his support among conservatives and independents. First off there’s a big difference in attitudes before something happens and after. My hunch (and that’s all it is) is that most people are indifferent to the results of this trial. Conservatives who support Trump think it’s all a sham anyhow and a guilty verdict isn’t going to change their minds. Independents mostly don’t care. MAYBE the onus of “convicted felon” might convince a few independents to change their mind and MAYBE that will be enough to make a difference in November. But I doubt it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/29/harsh-deportation-tools-are-just-fine-with-many-americans/ The same poll showed that Americans preferred a path to citizenship to mass deportation, 68% to 31%. This is all theoretical because mass deportation is never going to happen. We’re not going to spend the resources to do this whatever Trump promises. But even so I believe that Americans would never put up with it anyhow whatever the polls suggest. In the end we’re not that kind of country.

I don’t believe it. I’ve read polls like that but I don’t believe the public would ever put up with it. We’re not that kind of society. We don’t do sh!t like that.

What corner? I’ve answered every question here including those of @Cdub100, And it’s impossible for me to move the goalposts by bringing up his Jew hatred. He expresses it in every post. You, among others, seem OK with it.

Not every libertarian is happy with Trump appearing at their convention tomorrow night: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/24/libertarian-convention-fighting-obscenities-trump-visit-00160008 “I propose that we tell Donald Trump to go f—k himself!” Awesome

Hilarious. Are you aware that @Cdub100 is a Holocaust denier? Almost all of my relatives died but he doesn’t believe it happened.

Can’t help it if certain losers tend to follow me from thread to thread. It’s certainly nothing I’m doing.

I don’t think he’s racist. He makes racist statements. I’m not going to defend them. I never have. I’ve never attempted to justify his racist comments.

1. Whatever. Not gonna try to convince you. 2. I’m not in favor of lowering standards to let DEI candidates in. I just detest the racism that comes from some of those who agree with me.

Link?

They charge a whole lot more than that, lol

I’m not going to defend Biden’s dumb racist remarks from the past. They’re indefensible. I’m voting for Biden because the alternative is unacceptable.

Yeah your life sucks for sure. Blame the black lady. It’s her skin color.

And you question their competency and would like others to do so.

I have no opinion about the purpose of this Free Beacon article other than a general conviction that like several other MAGA sources they present news and viewpoints that I am highly skeptical of. In this case the article’s conclusions, IMO, don’t make common sense; please refer to my previous post to you as to why. @Cdub100’s purpose is to promote racism and bigotry.