The Real timschochet

@Cdub100- black people are incapable of the highest standards!

Not anytime. But always when you do it. Because you’re a racist and bigot and a Jew hater and I know exactly what your motives are.

FTR I’m not even in favor of offering different standards for minorities when applying to college or higher levels of education. I think the problems in education need to be fixed in primary schools- once you get to college it’s too late. So I’m actually against most affirmative action type solutions. But the racism that is present when these topics come up- the paranoid fear and pointing towards minorities and questioning their competence- is just so ugly and awful it turns my stomach. Just repugnant.

YOU are destroying the country. You and your paranoia over topics like these.

Yeah your BS lectures are so tiresome. If you want to argue the content then do so. My position is that most of the current attacks against diversity are thinly veiled racism. What guys like @Cdub100 want is for us to look at black doctors, or black pilots, or any minority in a profession that demands expertise, and question their skills. That’s the whole purpose of this thread and this topic and you and others have been suckered into it. I feel sorry for you.

Liberals may be for securing the border and tightening up immigration. No doubt about that. But are they for Trump’s plan of rounding up and deporting millions of undocumented immigrants already here? I strongly doubt that.

Not disingenous at all. It’s my honest opinion.

Your definition of confirmation bias is correct but I am not a victim of it. IMO, you are and so are most of those who are posting in this thread, lol.

Wow. I used the word “general” because the article was about diversity in higher education in general and not about medical schools per se which was the topic of this thread. But you seem obsessed with calling me a liar, which is interesting in itself.

Umm no. I offered an opinion article- I never pretended otherwise. I’m not attempting to offer facts in this case, only an opinion (which I happen to share.)

Paranoia strikes deep Into your heart it will creep It starts when you’re always afraid Step out of line, the man comes and takes you away

Some hope for Biden here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/shaky-foundation-trump-lead-disengaged-114648718.html

Yes I read it. But I was also responding to the OP which warns that DEI is “killing people.” If they’re not becoming doctors and they’re not passing tests then who cares? Again how would this story, even if true, affect anything other than UCLA’s high standing?

Here is a general article on attacks on diversity in higher education from Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/attacks-on-diversity-in-higher-education-threaten-democracy/ The purpose of these attacks is, of course, blatant racism. That’s why a guy like @Cdub100 is always posting them around here.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/university-of-california-los-angeles-04010#:~:text=University of California--Los Angeles (Geffen) is ranked No,Best Medical Schools%3A Primary Care. #10 in primary care, #18 in research. So I’m not worried about the sort of graduates they produce.

Technically true but the very best medical schools have a minimum that you need to get in.

Because so much of it is interpretation and opinion rather than facts. Is UCLA allowing students who fail the MCAT to enroll in its medical school? If true that would be a major issue. If untrue then the whole story is meaningless and bogus. Is UCLA allowing students to graduate from its medical school without proper knowledge and ability of how to perform competently in the medical field? If true that would be a major issue, but only for UCLA’s standing not for the country.

The Beacon is largely conservative opinion of the extreme MAGA variety. It’s not a legitimate news source IMO. The basic test to get into medical school is called the MCAT. UCLA requires this. I don’t know what score you need to pass but it’s very difficult- students study for months or years. (My daughter is about to enroll for post graduate, pre-med school and UCLA is one of the schools she hopes to apply to in a couple years so I’ve become quite aware of this recently.) I would be very surprised if UCLA or any other medical school of note is allowing minority students to fail the MCAT but get in anyway. They may be allowing in passing scores that are lower than average but STILL PASSiNG- which is again very difficult.

Again, if all this is true, all it means is that less graduates from UCLA medical school will pass their medical exams which will in turn lower UCLA’s standing among medical schools (currently top 10 in the USA). Which will hurt UCLA, but not the country. If that doesn’t happen, then we can conclude this story is bogus.

Only if it’s true, and I’m highly skeptical that it is. I don’t trust the source. UCLA has one of the top medical schools in the entire country. Diversity programs might help some disadvantaged people get enrolled there but it won’t help them graduate. And even after they graduate they have to undergo a certain extremely difficult exam to become a doctor which is more difficult than the bar exam. I’ve been impressed with many of your posts lately. You seem like a highly intelligent, reasonable guy. Please don’t let @Cdub100’s bigotry infect you.

Your acumen continues to impress.

Paging @Jon_mx !!

I’m glad you don’t like it but when you write that he’s being “childish” , and when you mock the fear of dictatorship, I think you still don’t get it. The two are connected. This isn’t some whim on Trump’s part, it’s a deliberate strategy to delegitimize existing authority in our society so that he can replace it. That’s what taking down the “deep state” is all about. The implicit part of Trump’s accusation here is that the FBI is corrupt, the government is corrupt. Every would be dictator has used this exact playbook.

I get that you’re trying to make a distinction between “they were prepared to assassinate Trump!” and “they tried to assassinate Trump!” Let’s concede your point that it’s the former and not the latter accusation. Even so is it really that big a difference? Isn’t the former accusation bad enough? And more importantly, isn’t it part of a long pattern of Trump and his allies lying to their followers about very dangerous stuff that’s going to lead to violence and that this is something that we just don’t see from the liberal side?

I agree it’s hard to find threads about trannies in this forum. They’re so few and far between!