The Real timschochet

Based on what? Attending funerals? Other than Cheney, who for better or worse orchestrated our response to 9/11, there has never been a significant VP is my lifetime. Thats why this whole question of “good” or “bad” VP is so meaningless. They do nothing.

They report the news impartially. They’re not robots.

If there is an upset tonight- and while it’s unlikely anything’s possible I suppose- does anyone have any doubt that Trump will announce himself the winner no matter what? Has he ever been able to accept a defeat?

I listened again to that tape where Trump confuses Haley with Pelosi. It’s very disturbing- it’s far different from any of his other gaffes, or any of Biden’s gaffes. It could just be mental exhaustion or it could be something much more serious. This sort of confusion is not a trait of senility; it is, however, not uncommon among those who suffer from Alzheimer’s. I’ve had two members of my family with this truly horrible disease. As much as I dislike Donald Trump, i truly hope that this is not the case for him.

Not really no. The problem with Trump’s guilt is that his actions and inactions on Jan 6 are all very well documented. We have his speech, his tweets, his statements to people close to him at the time. None of that has been challenged. Based on that alone he’s guilty of some very serious crimes. So no, even if the absurd theory that the FBI secretly orchestrated the riot was true, it still wouldn’t exonerate Trump.

Nobody has made this argument either.

So she doesn’t.

Highly doubtful.

I haven’t moved the goalposts. I’ve always viewed my stance on immigration issues as an essentially moral one. I don’t believe we should forcibly deport millions of people. I don’t believe we should round up families or separate parents from children. I don’t believe the vast majority of those who come here without documents are criminals or bad people or mean us harm or are a source of any of our major problems. I think there’s a lot of ugly scapegoating going on, its source is bigotry, and it saddens me that so many good Americans and otherwise very bright people have fallen for this crap.

If the poll is accurate then I’m in the minority for sure. Based on education and income I’m one of the elite and I vote Democrat. But I don’t have any contempt at all for working people and I don’t want to restrict them at all. And there are ways to fight climate change without these restrictions, hence my opposition to a large part of the Green New Deal.

No we’re not talking about anything that occurred under Obama. We’re talking about a mass roundup of millions of people and deportation, including children without regard as to whether they were born here. Again I’m not going to get into the weeds of whether or not such a horrendous act is technically illegal. It should be but I have no idea and I don’t care. It’s morally reprehensible.

I know that too.

I know. Many of you guys approve of this.

I’m not going to get into the weeds on this stuff. Like all Presidents, some of Biden’s appointments have been great, others not so much. But he didn’t appoint them with personal loyalty as the main concern, like a mob boss would. Thats what Trump intends.

I don’t approve of that either, and I question your statement that it was legal. Many of his actions were challenged in court and has not been adjudicated before Biden ended them. But in any event you’re wrong. Trump has stated his intention to go way beyond his actions last time on this issue. Beyond building the wall without congressional approval or funding (hence the executive orders) he means to order a mass deportation of millions of people.

I don’t agree. Not about Biden in general and certainly not about Kamala Harris.

This is the correct interpretation. In terms of policy it is, however, troubling enough. He emphasized two issues: the border and drilling for oil. Putting aside the drilling issue, it suggests that he intends to put a stop to migration from our southern border in a way that would violate existing laws protecting civil liberties and perhaps violate the Constitution. No doubt some of his supporters, and some here, approve of such thinking. For me it’s enough all by itself to reject him as a candidate.

Yeah this stuff is starting to annoy me. I think Trump will be a terrible President if he wins, far worse than last time, because he won’t have the guardrails around him. Specifically he is determined to appoint people based on personal loyalty rather than competence. I believe Trump’s stated policies on the border, on trade, on Ukraine, on drilling, will all be awful for this country (and on Ukraine and our international commitments it may lead to decades of misery.) Add that to his apparent determination to punish his enemies and his indifference to the Constitution, and I see very troublesome times ahead. I don’t, however, see an end to our form of democratic republic. And here Maddow and many others go overboard. They’re overstating the case. The case, IMO, is bad enough.

There’s no way to defeat a conspiracy theorist like Jon has become, because anything that doesn’t happen.is part of the conspiracy.

God it would be so awesome if this was true. Sorry guys I believe this is a crackpot theory. It makes no sense whatsoever that the FBI would plan and orchestrate what happened on January 6. It sounds crazy just writing it out.

What info is being covered up? I can’t fathom that there is anything that would exonerate Trump or any of the insurrectionists/rioters/oops I mean hostages.

I don’t even know what the company line is.

Even if this was true, Biden’s policies are so much better that it’s not a close contest. That is, provided you are concerned about helping Ukraine, doing something about climate change, protecting women’s rights, and keeping trade and the economy grooving along.

Well sure I’d like to think I’m above bigotry and racism. And the need for white pride. Here’s hoping you are too.

That’s a very similar argument to one Ive made in defense of Biden over the last few years (minus the stupid part).