The Real timschochet

No they focused on police encounters. Shootings were only one example.

How? Can you demonstrate?

I think your point is a good one, I agree with you and I probably treat people the same as you do. But neither of us is a police officer. Because they almost uniquely in our society have the legal ability to use deadly force, their responsibility is that much greater.

It’s been pointed out in this thread, correctly, that other racial groups that suffer from income disparity do not commit crime at the same level that black people do. Poor people are still far more likely than others to commit crimes, but blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate even than other poor people. Therefore I conclude that with blacks it’s a combination of three issues: 1. income disparity 2. A long history of mistreatment against them, particularly slavery and Jim Crow, which has created social dysfunction, lack of family structure, etc. 3. Police and societal mistreatment and racism against black people which continues in this current day. Keep in mind that the vast majority of African-Americans are law abiding and do not commit violent crimes or any crimes, and yet are still often victims of point #3. And THAT is why I am forced to view these issues with a lens of racism.

I have no problem agreeing with Fryer. I have never mentioned police shootings in this thread. All of my posts have been about overall treatment. The story in the OP is about a victim who died because he couldn’t breathe, not because he was shot. And deaths at the hands of police are very rare. It’s the overall treatment that I call into question. And contrary to what you wrote, I very much like it when science contradicts my beliefs. I’m just not convinced it has done so with regards to transgenders, which I think must be what you’re referring to.

Just to clarify for anyone else reading this- I wasn’t asking anyone to shut you up or censor you. By all means post your hatred for all to read. I was asking others to call you out when you make bigoted remarks like calling my post “Jewy”. ETA in November I will enjoy collecting your $25 from @edjr. I will donate it to the ADL. That will be a good day.

OK I know what your point is. It’s the same point conservatives always make when racism is argued: some of these incidents were justified therefore there is no pattern. It would take me a lot of time to rebut that point properly. And then we might still disagree. I’m happy to do that but it’s a beautiful day here and I’m headed to the beach. So if you’re patient with me I will attempt to address this later on. Enjoy your day.

No and it’s completely irrelevant. Bad guys, both black and white, kill police. That’s a given. Evil people do evil things. Police are not evil and we should hold them to a completely different standard.

I want to add to my previous post that there ARE racists who post in this forum, @Cdub100 being an obvious example (he is also an acknowledged anti-Semite, very open about it.) The fact that so many around here, who are not bigots, allow a guy like this to continually make bigoted comments without any pushback doesn’t speak well to your own credibility, IMO. It’s a microcosm of your tolerance towards Trump’s continual and explicit racism.

No I posted those links in exasperation, responding to @EternalShinyAndChrome who actually argues, in this year of 2024, that there is no racism going on from police. I am frustrated because I don’t believe @EternalShinyAndChrome is a racist. I don’t believe most of you are racist. If you were it would be easier because then I would simply point it out and that would be the end of discussion. But I think most of you are well meaning people who are totally wrong on this subject and very stubborn about it, and resentful of minorities complaining about racism, and this is much of the impetus of support for Donald Trump. And so that’s extremely frustrating to me.

Would you prefer “systemic”? I certainly didn’t create these terms and I think they’re pretty accurate.

It is racism. But I also get your point. I understand what might cause cops to have racist attitudes. That’s why we need police reform. What we don’t need is Presidential candidate endorsing bad attitudes and behavior and calling it “supporting the blue”.

Nonsense. I revere the Constitution. And I have no idea what any of this has to do with the points I’ve been making in this thread, which, agree or not, are fairly simple to understand.

Of course it’s a tremendous issue. When have I not acknowledged that? It’s a terrible issue, it’s caused by poverty and by the problems with black culture stemming back to Jim Crow and before that, slavery. The whole point of Critical Race Theory and the 1619 Project is to acknowledge how our terrible history has led to this problem. Once we do that we can work on trying to fix it. My real agenda is to achieve, in the words of the Constitution, a more perfect Union.

First off I want conservatives to acknowledge that there is still institutionalized racism in this country against black people, and the worst of it is from police. Then we can discuss what’s to be done about it.

Here is a good opinion piece by a Jewish student at Yale explaining why he is taking part in the protests: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/27/opinions/yale-student-palestinian-protests-berlin/index.html

No it’s not a lie. Nor is it something I made up, nor something I’ve read on Pravda or far left sites. It’s been demonstrated over and over and over by numerous studies and reports by respectable sources. A few examples: The Brookings Institute: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/a-crisis-within-a-crisis-police-killings-of-black-emerging-adults/ National Institute of Health: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7101453/ Pew Research: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/06/03/10-things-we-know-about-race-and-policing-in-the-u-s/ There are literally hundreds of these. You can disagree with them all if you like but then realize that your opinion flies in the face of the strong majority of reputable information.

And here you go again. He doesn’t know it. I don’t know it either. We disagree with you. We think you’re wrong.

I’ve never understood why this is relevant. Michael Brown (the guy killed in Ferguson) was a total thug. Rodney King was a druggie who resisted arrest. The point has never been that these folks aren’t usually bad dudes. The point is that police are supposed to behave in a certain manner, and when it comes to young black men, they often don’t. There is no excuse for police mistreatment no matter how terrible the victim of it has been. If we turn our backs and say it’s OK for police to treat these folks badly because they deserve it (which Donald Trump is campaigning on, BTW) then we are opening the door for unlimited police power- not just against really bad guys but against everyone.

One of your worst attributes, above and beyond your penchant for insane conspiracies, is your insistence on telling others what they think. I already told you what I think. This isn’t a sham. Trump paid off these women in order to hide them from the American people in order to win an election. Thats illegal. It’s not something that other people do all the time. It’s against the law, and he deserves to be prosecuted for it, IMO. You can disagree with what I believe but stop trying to tell me I don’t believe it.

Hey it actually makes me feel better about her. Suppose Trump goes even more nuts than he already is? We may need a VP willing to do what needs to be done.

It’s actually been rising lately. But you’re right it’s historically low. Think how embarrassing it will be for Trump when Biden wins anyhow. And it will be even more embarrassing for you. I have written many times that any Republican not named Donald Trump would have won against Biden fairly easily. But you had to choose Trump as your guy. You chose the ONE DUDE Biden will beat. You’ll never outlive the shame of it.

This is inaccurate as well. I tended to believe the cop in Ferguson as probably guilty of murder but I wrote at the time that there was no way to prove it and so I would never have charged him with anything. That’s still my position. What you have constantly ignored over the years is that right after this event occurred, there was a study of police practices in Ferguson and they were found to be terribly racist. Stuff like that just passes you by and never makes any impression. So please don’t lecture me about deaf ears.

Lots of projecting in this thread what liberals want and what I want. Almost all of it is inaccurate. Why not stick to responding to what I’ve written rather than trying to fathom my motives? I’ve been pretty clear about my motives and you’re not describing them.

Nice