The Real timschochet

Hungary, India and Turkey have showed us that a sizable segment of the voting public anywhere are willing to give up political freedom in exchange for nationalist authoritarian dictators if they believe, wrongly, that if will give them economic stability. That’s not surprising in countries like I listed where democracy is relatively a new thing. But it’s shocking that Republicans are apparently willing to do the same here.

Glad you agree. It’s pretty clear I’m right about this.

What a load of crap. “No outside oversight allowed.” You guys spent years looking for cheating and found nothing. So pathetic. And most pathetic of all, you refer to those who disagree with your nonsense as “bootlickers”, yet you are by far the biggest bootlicker on this board. You swallow every conspiracy theory that Trump feeds you no matter how nonsensical.

Also in regard to black voting: one of the most insidious aspects of Trump’s claim of election fraud is that he constantly focused on black communities, such as the cities of Philadelphia, Detroit and Atlanta. The actual numbers show that Trump gained votes in each of these areas, particularly with black voters, as compared to 2016. Where Trump lost ground was in the mostly white suburbs outside of these communities, especially with women. But complaining about the suburbs doesn’t strike a chord with white conservatives fearful of the growing power of minorities, which is why Trump concentrated on complaining about black areas. He was deliberately playing into racism and unfortunately the majority of Republicans have fallen for his bullcrap.

Wrong. Black population in 2010 census: 38.9 million. Black population in 2020 census: 41.1 million. Black turnout in 2008: 62%, highest ever. Black turnout in 2020: 58%. So by percentage actually less blacks came out to vote in 2020 than in 2008, and less blacks voted for Biden than they did for Obama either time. But there’s 2 million more of them. And there will be even more in 2024. Stuff like this is why when people like you assert that Biden must have cheated because there’s no way 81 million people voted for him, or that many blacks, etc, you simply have no clue about what really happened. It’s certainly easy to study the actual results, but I doubt you ever will.

I expect he will. He will also lose more black votes than any Republican Presidential candidate in history.

Actually I didn’t quite love him for that. She said “he’s an Arab”, and he said “no ma’am he’s a decent human being”, which implies that someone who is an Arab is NOT a decent human being. I know what his intent was and I greatly admired him for it but it still wasn’t the right thing to say. And at the same time that McCain was defending Obama, his VP nominee was accusing Obama of terrorism. In truth I firmly believe that we would not be dealing with Trump today if McCain hadn’t opened the Pandora’s Box of right wing extremism by choosing Palin. That being said, John McCain was a great American hero.

Of course. And if Biden had run in 2008-12, and Obama in 2020, then Obama would have had more votes. As the population increases, more people vote in every election. This is the part that seems to escape you.

Plus it is almost guaranteed that when Biden wins next year it will be more than 81 million votes.

Somehow or another the Steelers are in the playoffs. Firing Canada helped for sure.

I doubt he’s a “renter” because mom doesn’t charge for the basement.

There is a major flaw with this whole “TDS” theory: most liberals like me really wish he would just go away. It wasn’t our idea for you guys to nominate him again. We wish you wouldn’t.

It is. But even here, my sense isn’t that Trump really wants to be a dictator; that’s way too much responsibility for him. What I believe he wants is to win the election and then keep winning as President- if authoritarianism is the means to that end then he doesn’t have a problem with it.

Trump making fun of Biden’s stutter is pretty minor compared to all of the other things he says and does. But it’s also indicative of something really ugly. Donald Trump is a bully. He’s not a good guy. Now some conservatives will acknowledge this and say, “we get that but we’re for him anyhow because he does a good job.” And while I strongly disagree with that assessment I can accept it as a legitimate point of view, it doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is that there are seemingly plenty of folks out there who LIKE that Trump is a bully, they love the cruelty and are enthusiastic about it. And that’s an aspect of American culture that has always been present unfortunately, but I hate to see it.

Trump’s overall comments were, as usual, stupid, displaying no knowledge of history or relevance. That being said- there are VERY few things I admire about Donald Trump but one of those is he seems to have an aversion to Americans dying in war. He’s actually very close to being a pacifist. Thats not necessarily good for our foreign policy (there are times when we do have to take a stand) but as a general rule it IS admirable.

He’s expressed annoyance before about Lincoln being considered a greater President than him. This is part of that I think.

California’s GDP: 3.5 trillion. Texas and Florida combined GDP: 3.4 trillion. Not sure what you’re trying to prove with your statistics. We have more poor people? We also have more rich people. So what? I don’t think I have an ideology. I’m liberal in some areas, conservative in others. I try not to insult others. Is that an ideology?

I haven’t seen this performance so I can’t comment specifically, but in general I disagree with your take. I believe that there are limits beyond which society should properly shun, and that includes comedy. The highest rated comedy radio show of the 1930s, for example, was Amos and Andy, in which two white dudes pretended to be black and ridiculed black culture in an extremely racist manner. Such a program would not be aired today and rightfully so.

Do you believe that Donald Trump’s behavior on January 6, 2020 should not be a source for criticism?

California’s population decline comes after nearly a century of unparalleled growth. I wouldn’t read too much into it. We’re by far the most populated state in the Union and it’s really not that close. I don’t understand why you enjoy using words like “retard”. Do you think that you’re somehow striking back against woke? It just makes you look like a really dumb bad person. Which you’re probably not, though many if not most of your political opinions are based on a lot of nonsense, including the whole point of this thread. Conservative parents, unfortunately, tend to be intolerant of gays and trans people, and that creates mental illness and often leads to teen suicides.

Your second point is correct and it’s an important one to remember and keep emphasizing. But as to your first point: most liberals, and many independents truly believe that Donald Trump represents an existential threat to our constitutional republic. Personally that is my firm conviction. I have never felt this way about an American politician in my lifetime and sincerely hope never to do so again. You’re free to disagree with this analysis about Trump but please don’t dismiss it as disingenuous: it’s not. We truly feel this way and think we have ample reason to do so.

Because the opportunity is greater and because it’s simply a better place to live.

Trump sounds like a Democrat here- an 1860s Democrat: https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/politics/trump-civil-war-negotiated/index.html

I also have to go with London Calling.

I know you mean this sarcastically but it’s very largely a true statement. It’s pretty clear that NATO’s firm support of Ukraine would have been impossible if not for the leadership of Joe Biden. I believe in fact that if Trump had won the 2020 election, Russian troops would be in Kiev as we speak, and Chinese troops might very well in Taipei.