The Real timschochet

Similar arguments were made when we sent a man to the moon. I want to stop you at your sentence “we would have to create”- you’re correct. We will have to create a whole LOT of new technology to send a man to Mars. And that new technology will serve us in uncounted ways. Anyhow it’s next.

Yes we’re multiplying like flies. You’ll be astonished, come next election time, just how many people have become idiot liberals in this country.

Very short-sided.

SDS at play here. I stopped reading after the first two claims who.g were already bogus.

To the contrary: the legislation was necessary and now you’re seeing why. People being arrested without due process. The courts correctly overturning much of what he’s attempting. You may be content with this chaotic mess but the public is not.

Russia too, “Vladimir, STOP!”

I really don’t care that he got the math wrong. I’m focusing on his overall point.

I disagree with Elon Musk all the time. I think the whole Doge thing has been awful, and I also believe he has been dishonest in his approach to it. I suspect he may be a racist as well and I don’t like him. But that being said he’s right about Mars. We absolutely should have gone there by now, over 50 years since we landed on the moon. We’ve been very short-sided about this.

OK we disagree. it’s just a discussion anyhow. There is not enough public support for my idea for it ever to come true. The public by and large agrees with you, and Trump, that these folks should pay what’s due without any forgiveness. I get that. I wish it were otherwise but it is what it is.

If you guys are worried about non-payment issues I would be willing to restrict this offer to those who have made regular payments on their student loans for several years, in order to keep the deadbeats out of it.

They were being asked to pay for something they had received and enjoyed in the past, but was finished. Now they would be asked to pay for something they’re getting now and enjoying now. If you study how people pay and when they get into trouble you know that this represents a HUGE difference. Also the trouble for most of these folks wasn’t that they couldn’t afford the payments, it was that while they made them they couldn’t afford anything else. (Like purchasing a home.)

OK. You’ve obviously read my arguments. Why am I wrong?

Again, just to correct you slightly- I want the loan forgiveness tied directly into a first mortgage on home purchase program: the NAR plan. I’m not simply talking about them being free to spend it on whatever.

I say it is. I have read economists I respect warn about a Great Depression or worse. I don’t think it’s irrational at all to consider this a real possibility if these tariffs stay in place.

I’ve been pretty clear: the tariffs are the problem. The rest of Trump’s economic policies are OK- not what I would do, but not especially disastrous either. The tariffs are going to drive us into the ground. They’ve already done lots of damage, enough so that we will all feel some pain this summer. They will accomplish nothing good. If Trump backs down soon things will be OK. If he doesn’t, we’re going to be in big trouble. You can call this panicking if you want. I call it reasonable analysis.

Only partially. I’ve done very well in the last couple of years. And that’s all I’ll say on it. Unlike Tony and a few of the other knuckleheads around here I’m not one to brag. Let’s just say that since my dad passed I’ve taken his business and done very well, and leave it at that.

Well let’s just say my bank account says otherwise.

Well..:I don’t like to compare. Not necessary to insult you.

I’m talking about Trump’s motivation. It absolutely is true. If he wanted more people he would simply let more immigrants in. Open up our southern borders, that will give us all the people we need. But Trump and his most devout followers don’t want THOSE people. Gotta be white.

Lol. Your description of me might pertain to other, more “woke” topics. But in this case I’m thinking like a realtor and a businessperson, because I am one. I do appreciate the sub average intelligence part. I sure hope that I can someday, perhaps with your help, rise at least to mediocrity. Smirk.

These are all reasonable concerns. Even so I think the good outweighs the bad.

What liberal wanted companies to have smaller profits? None that I know. Link?

Here is a brief summary of what I have in mind from the NAR: https://www.nar.realtor/student-loan-debt

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I would like to tie loan forgiveness directly into home ownership. This has been proposed before by the National Association of Realtors. You can replace your student loan with a first mortgage on a home.

Well first I dispute the idea that it’s some sort of direct transfer. We are a society that subsidizes private entities all the time- so much so that seems hypocritical, or absurd, to focus on this one subsidy. Second you continue to focus on issues of justice, which is not my concern. You claim that these people have not “earned the right” and have “learned poor lessons.” Have oil companies “earned the right” to the billions of dollars we give them every year? Have the corporations like Elon Musk’s “learned poor lessons?” Frankly I don’t care if they have or haven’t. I am not for cutting off the oil companies or Musk so long as it benefits us. That is my sole concern. So if you want to argue that forgiving student loans would not benefit American society as a whole that’s one thing; I disagree and we can debate that point. But if you’re going to continue to argue that we shouldn’t do it because it’s unjust or unfair or they “haven’t earned the right” I’m going to continue to point out that this is both irrelevant and hypocritical (unless you are in favor of cutting off ALL government subsidies and a purely libertarian society- I can respect that position.)