The Real timschochet

So I just want to clarify in case I misunderstand: you believe that the 2020 election was fraudulent and that the January 6 riot at the Capitol was planned and led by the government who were plotting to make Trump look bad. Is that correct?

I could say the same thing about spending money on policies you might prefer like border walls, for instance:

What mental box? I’m very comfortable with my position on this (stated earlier in the thread). I have no trouble at all on this particular issue. Go check out the war in Israel thread if you want to see me in a mental box. That’s a really tough one for me. Here I got no problems.

I understand. I was being a bit facetious on point 3. Although we do disagree there.

1. Charity. I give pretty generously. At least I try. 2. Personal help when I can. 3. This one will make you happy: I vote for politicians who will use your taxes to help poor people.

Well the reason I wrote “social and economic” is because it’s more complicated that just economics. But if you examine western history, for centuries, you find that crime occurs much more in poor urban areas than it does in poor rural areas, and that’s regardless of race. Obviously crowding is one reason.

Do you think so? I mean all of it. It’s how I honestly feel.

Very unwise to generalize.

There are many many reasons that the urban poor are in the situation they’re in. I agree with you that lack of self-responsibility is part of it. But the legacy of racism is also a part of it. Liberals shouldn’t pretend it’s all the one, and conservatives shouldn’t pretend it’s all the other. It’s a combination and whether you feel responsible or not, as an American you, I and everyone here have a duty to try and fix it as best we can. Have a happy Thanksgiving.

These thugs are indeed very likely part of the poorest among us. And you’re quite correct that the poorest among us benefit more under Democratic policies. Which is one reason I prefer Democrats because I like helping poor people.

Happy Thanksgiving to President Biden. I am grateful, among other things, for the vastly improving economy, lower gas prices, reduced inflation, and especially your strong leadership abroad.

I hope it isn’t true. I disagree with the guy at times but he strikes me as impressive. Too bad if true.

Seriously? Are you asking me why more crime occurs in poorer economic areas?

Sure. How about we spend some money and help them with that?

I love this. According to this thread the thugs who robbed this store spend their free time carefully considering the ins and out of the justice system, politics, and whether or not they benefit from Democratic or Republican policies. It’s absolutely hilarious. You guys keep it up.

Yes I understand the argument you and others here are making. I’m telling you it’s hugely flawed because the thugs who committed this crime aren’t thinking about the prosecutor. I guarantee you they have no idea about the justice system and whether it’s favorable to them or not. And, as a liberal when it comes to criminal justice, I must say this is a major flaw in conservative thinking on these issues: you believe that strict punishment deters crime. And the evidence shows quite the opposite. Crime is a result of social and economic reasons, not the level of punishment.

Probably Trump. I’m dead serious. He seems to attract the gangsta rap types. He gives off this (totally bogus) tough guy persona.

I doubt they vote at all or ever even think about politics.

No I really don’t. Ridiculous to think that these thugs are concerned about misdemeanors vs. felonies. I strongly doubt they’re even aware of it. They wore masks for a reason.

It’s far right. Or do you think this guy has the same policies as Mitt Romney?

Possibly because this guy is authoritarian. He’s closer to Mussolini than Ronald Reagan. I don’t think the word conservative fits. That’s my same problem with Trump. Far right populism is not the same as traditional conservatism. It’s frankly scary.

Also a misdemeanor is not an unchargeable offense so that’s not right either.

Thank you. That law says that under $950 it’s a misdemeanor. But obviously that doesn’t apply here so how would it have contributed to this crime?

This has nothing to do with liberal policies or conservative policies. It has nothing to do with race or diversity (except for the fact that this sort of crime is usually performed by those of low income, and unfortunately in our society, in urban areas, that usually means minorities). What it has to do with is that criminals have figured out a new way of stealing: the flash mob. Like a new football offense that the defense hasn’t had time to figure out, it’s been highly successful: it’s well organized and quick. Eventually however security and police will find a way to counter it. But until they do we can expect more of this.

Right. But even if it was in LA, how it would it apply to a crime where thousands of dollars of items were stolen by people in masks?