The Real timschochet

I’m sure you feel that way. But I would argue that none of those adjectives apply to me, Delusional maybe.

It is unlike you. It surprised me.

It is. What I wrote is that not everyone who chants it is aware of that fact.

I don’t try to avoid pointing out racism when I see it. I don’t play games about it. Just a little while ago @supermike80 made a post here that was clearly racist. (I am not calling him a racist; I don’t think he is. But the post was racist.) @Jon_mx is conspiratorial, angry, raving, forever a victim, delusional, often offensive, lacking any knowledge of history or shame or both. His screeds are almost unreadable. , But I don’t see any racism in there.

This argument is often made at Klan meetings and other hate group get togethers. You sure you want to make it yourself?

I have never called Jon a racist. Nor do I think he is. Do you agree with him that the current treatment of white conservatives is akin to black people under slavery or Jews during the Holocaust?

I don’t hold you responsible for anything you didn’t do. White privilege means you escape penalties that other races suffer. for instance you don’t get stopped by police because they wonder why someone with your skin color is driving through a nice neighborhood. When you tell people what your job is, they don’t suspect you of having achieved it through affirmative action, Women don’t automatically clutch their purses tighter when you walk by and avoid you: You don’t need to live in a sanctuary city to avoid ever having to show that you are a citizen, because nobody will ever question it. These, and so many more, are privileges you receive because of your white skin. I receive the same ones: we don’t notice them but they are not a myth. It’s not wrong that we have these privileges; what’s wrong is that others don’t.

Good morning. I really don’t want to respond to much of this screed but I will make 3 points: 1. It’s pretty ironic that you believe I’ve been brainwashed. I think most rational people will read this and most of your other posts and come away thinking that the brainwashed person is you, given the amount of utter nonsense you spew. 2. I’ve tried to tell you before how offensive your analogies are. They are absurd, disgusting, sickening. They completely destroy any validity to your complaints. I will continue to ask: are you that ignorant of history? Or have you no shame? There are no alternatives. 3. You assert that I hate shore conservatives. News to me, Most of my family and friends are white conservatives. I considered myself one for many years. And I really don’t hate anyone.

If this dude’s defense is that he was only a journalist and did not participate in the riot, and if he can prove that, he should be acquitted of the charges against him. But it certainly doesn’t sound like that is the case

Anyone who went into the Capitol that day as part of the insurrection deserves jail time. How much depends on how much damage they did but they all deserve at least some time in prison. I called him crazy because apparently he cheered the rioters on and approved of it 100% and was excited that they desecrated Pelosi’s office. Crazy.

I don’t believe this would have the effect you do. I don’t think you understand, truly, the motivations of those who come here. Nor the people they are paying if any. In any event Trump’s attempts to end catch and release the last time around led to the separation of families. That’s not acceptable, ever.

He is the lead singer of a David Bowie cover band so that’s pretty cool. Too bad he caught the crazy.

Here is a report on Baker from NBC News. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna14004 According to the article he turned himself into the authorities, faces misdemeanor charges, and is currently out on bail. That certainly seems to contradict your claim that he was seized and shackled by 20 FBI agents- though I certainly have no idea. I never heard of the guy. Is NBC lying here? What parts of this story do you regard as inaccurate?

Hey @Strike here is the National Review on the classified doc case. Apparently they don’t share your use of “data and logic”: https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/the-trump-indictment-is-damning/amp/

1. The classified case is far worse than you’re presenting here. Trump was asked to return the documents, just like Biden was. If he had done so, as Biden did, nothing would have happened. Instead Trump refused to cooperate, lied about having some of them, and attempted to hide them. They had no choice to indict and this will be shown when/if there is finally a trial. His guilt is very clear here. 2. Doesn’t matter how many times Fani went to the White House (I’m taking your word on that BTW). Trump’s guilt was obvious from the moment that recording came out when he asks the Georgia Sof S to manufacture votes. He should have been indicted within weeks of that phone call. In each of these cases they waited too long to indict, that’s the only political aspect; 3. Your conclusion is NOT what “those of us who use data and logic” think; it’s only what MAGA heads and other conservatives think. The rest of us think differently. But it doesn’t matter what any of us think; in each of these cases, unlike the NY fraud case, a jury will decide. I think the evidence that he is guilty is 100% in the classified docs case, 100% in Georgia, about 60-70% in Jan 6, and I’ve no idea about the hush money case, haven’t really followed it.

I won’t. But if they lower the fine to somewhere around 100-150 million, will you concede that it’s a legit case?

Once again the argument is made that ALL the Trump trials are political. Once again I refute that. Once again we go back to the fraud trial. As I wrote just a few minutes ago, let’s wait and see what the appeals court does. That will tell us if this result was legitimate. Even if it does not it has no bearing on the other trials.

Incidentally, the serious discussion in this thread doesn’t always have to be about politics. The Texas wide receiver, Worthy, that broke the 40 record yesterday is now projected to go in the 1st round of the draft. I dunno, this sounds like Al Davis thinking to me. Haven’t we seen enough wide receivers in the league to know that pure speed, while great, is only one factor? There are so many other intangibles. And there’s so many of these guys. This is not a knock on Worthy, I wish him well. But I doubt I would ever spend a 1st round pick on a WR….

I guess I’m stupid then because like almost all of your other assertions in this thread, I find this one ridiculous and I completely deny it.

In my last response to you I explained why all of your examples of my previous posts have no bearing on the larger point I was making and that I wasn’t rewriting any history. My earlier stance on this specific issue was, obviously, based on wrong information. It wasn’t intentional. Do I think that Trump was wrongly charged here and that this particular trial was politically motivated? I still haven’t made up my mind but after reading more about it I lean towards no, that it was a legitimate prosecution. Let’s see what the appeals court says. I suspect that they will reduce the fine some but keep the judgment in place. I don’t think it will be thrown out. If it’s not thrown out then it was a legitimate case to bring. I will wait and trust the result.

Even if all of this were true (and frankly it isn’t, I dispute all of it) it would STILL be highly offensive to compare it to black people in the 1800s. Are you that ignorant of history? Or have you no shame? It’s one or the other.

The only reason I got into that argument in the first place with you is because somebody else argued that ALL of Trump’s trials were political, I refuted it, he offered the example of the fraud trial, I got my info wrong and you entered the conversation at that point .You were eager to prove me wrong on that particular argument and to your credit you did. You offered no opinion on the larger argument that proceeded it which was the point being discussed. It’s best to use “full stop” only once in a post, and only at the end of the post. HTH

Wow. Almost all of this is nonsense but I have to focus on these words: “conservatives are treated like blacks in the 1800s”. So offensive. So ridiculous. So repugnant. Sadly this is not the first time you’ve done this. In earlier posts you’ve likened conservatives to Jews during the Holocaust. Are you really that ignorant of history? Or do you just lack any shame? Honestly it has to be one or the other.

Again I don’t always get everything right. Voltaire corrected me about Orban having political prisoners. But he certainly intends to. So I jumped the gun. My main point, that the guy is a dictator whom Trump admires, is accurate. You corrected me that the fraud trial Trump lost was not tax fraud. But it was fraud. My main point which was in refutation of the notion that most of the legal challenges Trump faces are politically motivated, is accurate- most of them aren’t. So again, you’re correcting details and focusing on them but never refuting the big picture. And that gets tiring too.

Oops! You’re correct that slimeball Orban doesn’t have any political prisoners yet. He’s planning on it, he really wants to, but his new sovereignty law hasn’t come into effect yet: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/23/orban-accused-of-trying-to-silence-all-critics-in-hungary-with-new-law We have also discussed before how Orban’s attacks against Soros (who should be a hero in Hungary as he is the man most responsible for liberating it from Communism) and globalism is filled with anti-semitism. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/hungarian-government-viktor-orban-campaign-renews-antisemitism-concerns This is not a dude you should be defending. And it’s frankly revolting that Trump admires the guy.