The Real timschochet

No. I brought up conservatives tolerating Trump and Tucker Carlson’s theories about white replacement. Carlson like Musk has accused Jews in general of wanting to replace white people, which is a very old and vicious anti-Semitic trope. Yet Trump and the Maga movement appear to love Tucker Carlson. Do I think most Maga and Trump supporters hate Jews? Of course not. But they are into this ridiculous white replacement theory so they tend to tolerate the Jew haters among them, just as you appear to be tolerating Musk now.

I also have a real problem with the term “anti-white” as used by people, mostly conservatives. Of course it’s possible to be anti-white and any bigot who is that should be condemned. But it feels like the phrase also has come to include teaching racial history accurately, arguing that there is institutional racism in our police and justice system, being for affirmative action, being for more open immigration, etc, etc. You can disagree with these ideas but they’re not “anti-white.”

But what does it have to do with what Musk said? This whataboutism is so dumb. Am I supposed to excuse Musk because some leftists at campuses are also Jew haters?

You won’t address what he said, but I’m the clown. OK sure. FTR producing a Jewish guy to proclaim “I know such and such and he doesn’t hate Jews” is an old trick. Tliab pulled the same crap. Concentrate on what Musk actually said.

I disagree with you about the ADL, but that’s not the point, because the guy doesn’t mention the ADL. He says “the Jewish people”. He’s ascribing the charge to ALL Jews. That’s the bigoted part,

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OK for the sake of clarity, let’s start over: 1. A poster at X, known to be an anti-Semite and white supremacist, tweeted the following: The Jewish people have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want to stop people using against them. Elon Musk retweeted this and added the comment: You have spoken the absolute truth. This is what I am objecting to. This is what makes me think Elon Musk must be an anti-Semite. Not some Media Matters report, not some ADL accusation, but the fact that Musk regards the idea that the Jewish people are pushing hatred against whites as “the absolute truth.” There doesn’t appear to be any context that could justify these remarks though I am open to hearing them. So if you disagree with my conclusion that Musk is an anti-Semite, make your case.

Really pathetic and sad. Question: is what Elon tweeted OK with you? Yes or no. Forget about Democrats and the ADL. Do you agree with Elon and Tucker on this issue?

What the hell does this have to do with Musk saying that an anti-Semitic trope is true? You’re trying to distract.

There are a few Jew haters within the Democratic Party. They are not and have never been in a leadership position. In fact they are largely ostracized for their comments. When Tliab was censored by Congress many Democrats were on board with that. Same with the college protests. Is there one member of the Maga crowd, which currently represents the leadership of the Republican Party, willing to criticize Elon Musk or Tucker Carlson? I haven’t seen it, have you? And that’s the difference.

That’s an opinion. “Can’t be deprogrammed” is not a statement of fact. I don’t agree with you.

I don’t think you and I disagree very much on the facts. But we very much disagree on how to look at those facts and what is to be done.

I’ve acknowledged that the majority of Palestinians are sympathetic to Hamas. I didn’t need this poll; I could have predicted it. Did you know that, in 1969, the majority of college students in the USA were sympathetic to the North Vietnamese? Because they wanted an end to the war. But they had no idea how evil the Communists really were, despite the overwhelming evidence. They didn’t want to know.

Look, there are a lot of people that were prosecuted and convicted over January 6: I am open to the possibility that mistakes were made IF you can provide evidence. I am open to the possibility that there was a deliberate unjust prosecution IF you can provide evidence. I am open to the possibility that other people who committed similar actions, such as during the George Floyd rioting, were not treated as harshly IF you can provide evidence (though I don’t believe that such an argument is especially relevant to this discussion.) I am NOT open to the possibility that the Jan 6 prosecutions, as a whole, are a liberal conspiracy to silence conservatives. I don’t believe any evidence can be provided for this. So I think that, in general, I have an open mind. Make your case.

I certainly don’t have complete trust in the system. In any example, if evidence is provided that an unjust outcome took place I will look at it. None has been presented here though I’ve asked for evidence.

I base my thoughts on Musk, not on Media Matters on his own statements. Do you agree with Musk’s comments about the international Jewish conspiracy to eradicate white people by importing brown skinned immigrants into majority white countries?

I’ve acknowledged the poll results before. I said they were misleading because the main reason they support Hamas is they belief Hamas fights for Palestinians and nobody else does. I don’t believe they recognize that Hamas is evil. I don’t believe the vast majority of Palestinians are evil, I think that in the end they just want to get along. But they mistakenly view Israel as evil and they don’t believe they can get along without destroying Israel. We need to try to change their minds. I know you think this is impossible, Maybe it is. Nonetheless we need to try because the alternative is catastrophic.

Thank you. I noticed you didn’t produce any links for this example and I suspect I know the reason why: https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/zip-tie-guy-jan-6-rioter-and-mom-get-prison-for-roles-in-capitol-attack/amp/ Because the evidence against him and his mom was pretty overwhelming. Both were tried before juries, which is how our system is supposed to work. The prosecution produced overwhelming evidence of their guilt and they were convicted on all counts. Appeals courts unanimously upheld the convictions. So it’s hard for me to see this as an example of an unjust imprisonment, or to call this gentleman a political prisoner, as you have. Got any other examples?

Thankfully these corporations are making the right choice. Reasonable, non Jew hating conservatives are going to have to decide if they want to continue to tolerate guys like Musk and Tucker Carlson with their “white genocide/white replacement” theories. Is this the new Republican Party? Is this really who they want to be?

See what I mean? Birdgang is completely incapable of discussion. Only personal insults. He’s one of the worst this forum has to offer (though he has a lot of competition.)

Trump and the MAGA crowd are the true enemies of capitalism. They don’t like free trade or immigration.

He doesn’t discuss politics. He rips on liberals , blames me for ruining two forums, laughs people for being obsessed with Trump. But he will never engage in actual discussion. I don’t know if he’s mentally capable of that.

I’ve commented on the fact that most Palestinians publicly support Hamas many many times. I’ve also stated that Hamas is evil many many times. What’s really sad is that you seem to believe that any criticism of Israel is equivalent to support for Hamas. That or you’re trolling, or both.

In the other thread you asserted that the majority of those arrested for Jan 6 have been unjustly imprisoned. I asked you to offer a specific example. You responded with generalities, unproven. I asked you again to produce a specific example. You responded with more unproven general accusations. Do you have a specific example, with evidence, of someone who has been unjustly imprisoned for Jan 6?

I called him that because it’s funnier than Comrade Napoleon and an easier reference to make. That’s all.