The Real timschochet

Really now? Pretty pathetic.

I’m not a savant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/shows/meetthepress/blog/rcna123767 Tonight is a referendum on Youngkin. Youngkin got elected by campaigning on parental rights in schools. But conservatives misunderstood the results- it was all about Covid and a temporary concern. Conservatives thought it was about CRT and trannies.

It’s a bell weather state. How Virginia goes so goes the nation. Youngkin’s shtick, running against CRT and trannies, had gotten old. DeSantis is discovering the same thing. Most of the public just isn’t as obsessed with woke issues as conservatives are.

You’re wrong about this. Virginia is very much a bellwether state.

Well that’s the sort of liberal I’ve been pining for.

Beshear seems like an interesting guy. I’m reading about him. Seems pretty liberal.

OK fair enough.

Would you have voted for him?

I forgot there’s the whole Brett Farve scandal too.

Yeah but both McConnell and Trump spent a lot of time pushing the Republican. I wouldn’t dismiss the result.

Elvis’ cousin is challenging in Ole Miss. Seems unlikely, but lol.

Well, the greatest Republican of all time was born in Kentucky. They’ll always have that.

That’s a sophisticated, reasonable position- but perhaps too sophisticated for the average voter.

And now the Dems are projected to keep control of the state senate in Virginia: Damn they’re winning everywhere.

I dunno. Women seem really pissed off about abortion. Will they still vote for the guy who took Roe away?

OK I laughed

Agreed and I appreciate you responding honestly without jumping to an immediate conclusion based on “your side”. This is why, in the short time I’ve posted here, I really respect your posts despite our many disagreements.

If you want to understand what the Israeli settlers are like- the extreme right wing of the Likud Party- there are two analogies I can offer you: the Protestants of Northern Ireland and the Afrikaners of South Africa. All 3 groups behave very similarly, believing they are God’s chosen people commanded to civilize a foreign land. It’s really striking how alike these three groups are.

This statement is also dumb because the Israel-Palestine conflict does not fall neatly into the American conservative vs liberal dichotomy , no matter how much you might want it to. There are conservatives who strongly disagree with your point of view and liberals who strongly agree with you and the same for my positions. You want everything to be black and white, either-or, and it’s really stupid.

None of what you wrote here has anything to do with any of the points I made. The main issues that modern day Palestinians have with the State of Israel date back to 1967, not 1948. The exact same international body that created Israel has condemned Israel’s actions since 1967, with regard to its settlements in West Bank and Gaza, and called them illegal. If you’re going to use the United Nations as the legal authority for the establishment of Israel then you can’t discount the other legal decisions made by the same body.

I’m not sure what you’ve read about the Israeli settlers but I can guarantee you that what was reported is NOT out of character.

And let me go one step further: even if I am completely wrong and most Palestinians really do want to destroy Israel, it doesn’t change anything in terms of how Israel should act. It wouldn’t excuse or justify the single death of a civilian.

Umm, I never wrote that the vast majority of Palestinians want a two state solution. I wrote that they don’t want to destroy Israel. Not quite the same thing. I also used the words “in my opinion” because any assertion about what the vast majority of Palestinians want is by definition subjective: they’re not and have never been free actors. I also tried to emphasize that sympathy for Hamas does not equate to agreement with Hamas’ goals- I can’t stress this enough. Jerry I get that you want to fit this issue into a neat little box, and I do too. It’s a trait of Americans and it’s one we should be proud of: determine the problem, fix the problem. But this is really complicated.

It’s going to come to a head soon because there are enough Republicans in the House opposed to further aid to shut it down. I was hoping that wouldn’t be the case but I’m realistic enough to know that it is. If I was Biden I would pressure Zelensky to accept a face saving peace agreement while he still can. Because soon our aid is going to be cut off.