The Real timschochet

You spend so much time on this crap. Ripping people for starting threads. Who cares if there is a dozen threads on this topic? How about discussing the topic? And if you don’t care to discuss it then why post? All you do is whine and complain, so annoying.

That’s not a good argument. If Trump were under 35, or running for a third term, or not born in the USA, he would not be on the ballot, and democracy would not be harmed. What is a good argument is that Trump has not received due process. I don’t think a court can simply determine that he is guilty of insurrection without some sort of trial.

They’re spending a lot of time on the whole “officer” thing. Seems kind of a lame argument to me (the President is exempt from the 14th Amendment because he is not an officer). But I am not a legal scholar..:

You’re wrong but thankfully we’ll never have to learn how wrong you are. Because we will never close the border.

Go back another 10 years. Obama’s policies are essentially the same as Biden’s. Your analysis is flawed.

No. It wouldn’t. It’s not even close. Our trade at the southern border exceeds a billion dollars a day.

So awful.

But it’s also higher than Obama’s or Bush’s. Which indicates two facts: 1. The current crisis has nothing to do with Biden’s policies. 2. The current crisis would have occurred almost exactly the same if Trump was President right now. This is a new situation and has nothing to do with previous or current policies on the border.

You think? That “commercial impact” you’re referring to would be an economic catastrophe that would be far far greater than any impact of undocumented immigrants, and it wouldn’t take very long. Thats why your idea is unworkable. It will never happen.

“CLOSE THE BORDER” is a meaningless phrase unless you provide specifics as to what you mean. I agree with you that this wouldn’t mean much to the cartels, but illegal inmigration was never the primary source of fetanyl anyhow. I agree that the border wall won’t work but it’s what you guys wanted. ALL of this bill is what you guys wanted.

As insisted upon by Mike Johnson.

This would be a legitimate argument for conservatives except that when they get into power they never cut any spending and consistently increase the debt worse than liberals do. So it’s not a question of too much spending, it’s only a question of what spending is preferred.

The other day all of the essential facts were out there and you found the bill reasonable and worth supporting. What specifically have you learned that changed your mind?

It was almost entirely written by Republicans.

Dont bother. None of them have any real solutions. They just spew unworkable crap like “shut the border down!”, “deport every illegal!”, “send them all to sanctuary cities!” It’s just a bunch of ignorance and hate. Thinking deeply about this topic is beyond them.

Wake up to what exactly? Some of us are trying to fix this problem. Republicans won’t let us.

The difference is when a tiny minority of undocumented people commit violence they’re not celebrated and congratulated on a TV network. Your rhetoric is creating fear, suspicion and hatred of innocent people. Is that truly what you want?

Innocent man, not an undocumented immigrant, gets tackled and beaten up by NYC vigilante group while Sean Hannity cheers: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/07/media/new-york-city-vigilante-group-fox-news/index.html Anti-immigrant bigotry and hatred is starting to get really scary.

I will adress it: I don’t believe that undocumented immigrants should be given priority over anyone already here. We should always help our veterans. But I think we should try to help these people too. I also object to the conservative mantra that whenever we spend money it’s always at the expense of somebody else that we didn’t spend money on. You guys use that for Ukraine a lot. Leftists used to use the same argument against the space program. It doesn’t fly with me. We should spend government money on whatever makes sense to spend it on, irregardless of other issues. Each issue should be looked at separately.

If you lived in California you could vote for me as many times as you want. You wouldn’t even need to be a citizen. Thats how we roll!

Hey the hell with you Gray’s Anatomy/Twilight/Boys In the Boat people. Just send us the water under the boat.

We don’t beg. We just demand. Hand it over.

Meh. That’s what Nevada is for. They’re our b!tch; they just need to shut up and send us water whenever we need it. So long as they do well let them keep Vegas.

It’s too bad you weren’t a candidate. I didn’t vote for anyone but you I would have seriously considered.

Funny line I heard on the radio: just like all of the anti-vaxxers, Trump has no immunity.