The Real timschochet

No I don’t. If the state arrests or detains a person by force against their will it must show cause before a court of law to justify doing so. There are NO EXCEPTIONS. Thats our system, and its a good system, and I don’t wish to get rid of it, not for expedience, not because the people at DHS are “capable”, not for any reason. ETA this isn’t liberalism, it’s conservatism. It’s actually a CORE principle of conservatism going back to Burke. I’m amazed that modern day so-called conservatives seem willing to give it up.

Not without a court hearing to establish that they’re actually here illegally. After that yes so long as it’s in this country and they receive humane treatment.

This is simply wrong in some parts, misleading in others. 1. The public does NOT support Trump’s methods, especially deportation without due process and rounding up non-violent criminals. In fact it’s going 80-20 the other way. 2. Liberals oppose defunding the police nearly 80-20 as well. 3. Depends on the specifics. 4. Not an issue that most people care about. 5. Probably true but as the economy continues to crater nobody will give a damn. 6. Depends on the specific. 7. Like #1, simply wrong on this one. As you will discover the next time there is an election.

Every person that is rounded up should get due process and a court hearing before being deported, as the law demands. Do you agree with this?

This is what I want: in keeping with the law, President Trump should do everything in his power, within reason, to bring this guy back to get the court hearing that he was due. This means publicly asking El Salvador to release and return him. Further it means threatening to cut off money to El Salvador if they refuse. If El Salvador still refuses after that, then it’s over; we did everything we could. Are you good with this?

Not your choice sparky.The law is the law.

Damn me too.

Doesn’t matter. He needs to come back.

Also since it’s @Frozenbeernuts who started this thread, what role do the Jews play in all of this?

Are you Q guys still into the whole “JFK Jr. is still alive” thing? Or have you moved on from that? And I thought that the moment Trump got re-elected he was going to prosecute Pizzagate? Why didn’t that happen?

Almost 100% guaranteed you have Jewish and black ancestors you are unaware of.

I give him credit for talking Israel out of attacking Iran if true. Also for a few other things I liked. But on the whole it’s been a really awful first 100 days. He keeps attempting to violate the Constitution. The cuts don’t make any sense for the most part and will save us very little money. He has made the war in Ukraine worse, not better. Done nothing to lower prices. Made bitter enemies of most of our allies. And of course the tariffs will bring us nothing but pain; that is coming soon no matter what he does now; it’s already too late. Overall he has been an unmitigated disaster.

Almost 100% guaranteed you have Jewish and black ancestors that you are unaware of.

Almost 100% guaranteed you have Jewish and black ancestors that you’re unaware of.

It’s really a tight competition between @Cdub100 and @iam90sbaby as to which one is the more ignorant, obnoxious racist in this forum. It’s neck and neck, down to the wire.

Trump just now: “Well I’m not involved in this (the Garcia case) so we’ll have to learn the facts and see how it all plays out.” Lolololol. Once again we have the ultimate “pass the buck” President. He’s afraid of losing in court so he looks for others to blame. It amazes me how so many of you think this guy is an alpha…

The problem is that Trump’s demands have more to do with getting rid of DEI and African-American history and a number of other issues that have nothing to do with anti-semitism.

I don’t think of human beings as snakes.

You’re explaining what you believe is a justifiable reason that black people are treated differently. But at least you’re acknowledging that they ARE treated differently. Which is my main point.

I just listened to a taped interview with Anton Scalia from over 10 years ago; he was asked specifically if undocumented aliens in this country had Constitutional rights. His answer, unequivocally, was “yes.”

Agreed

Sorry been busy. Yes of course they do. Meaning if a poor white from Appalachia enters a department store in the big city, he or she is unlikely to be constantly shadowed by an employee. He or she will not be harassed by police. And I could give you many other examples- in fact here is a list of 20 (my earlier link I’ve discovered wasn’t accessible to you:) https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/a32752175/white-privilege-everyday-examples/ That doesn’t mean that a poor Appalachian white doesn’t face many challenges that most of us, white or black, do not. But these are not based on skin color.

5-Points, earlier you wrote “it’s not the guns”. But if that is true why is it that this sort of event happens in the USA with much more frequency than it does in other countries with much tighter gun control? Why are we so unique? This isn’t meant to be a rhetorical question. I honestly go back and forth on this issue; I have for years. I don’t own guns and I have no desire to interfere in anyone else’s rights. But the amount of times these stories recur is very frustrating to me.

Unpleasant to people here anyhow. In no particular order: 1. Joe Biden had nothing to do with the indictments of Donald Trump; each indictment was justified because Trump broke the law each time. There was no weaponization of Biden’s justice department, no double standard. 2. Joe Biden won the 2020 election. There were no mysterious circumstances, no conspiracies. 3. The January 6 attackers were violent MAGA thugs egged on by Donald Trump most of whom deserve to be in prison. 4. The George Floyd riots were conducted by independent, individual criminals and thugs, unrelated to Black Lives Matter or the Democratic Party or liberalism in general. Most of them weren’t Antifa either. (Antifa only has a few hundred members and isn’t large enough to cause real trouble.) 5. Joe Biden is not corrupt and didn’t commit any crimes while in office. Nor is he a pedophile. 6. The Covid vaccines saved millions of lives; refusing to take the Covid virus cost thousands of lives. 7. Dr. Anthony Fauci is an American hero who had nothing to do with the creation of the Covid 19 virus but had everything to do with saving lives from that virus. He deserves our adulation. 8. George Soros, a Holocaust survivor, is a great man who helped liberate Hungary from Soviet Communism. The attacks against him are rooted in anti-semitism. 9. Man made climate change is real and extremely threatening to human survival on this planet. 10. Undocumented immigrants are not “illegal” because a person cannot be “illegal” in a civilized society. Undocumented immigrants are a boon to our society, and an economic net gain. Most undocumented immigrants are not violent criminals. 11. Transgenderism is not a mental disease. 12. Mistakes were made before, during and after the LA fires, but none of these were deliberate, none were caused by political ideology, and in any event the mistakes made very little difference. OK I’m done. Have a good night!

I don’t think he will no. I think he is trying. I think he will be defeated. Harvard is fighting the good fight here.