The Real timschochet

It isn’t. Unlike @Maximum 0verkill‘s gross speculation, I’m not speculating at all. I linked facts. Trump is absolutely reversing everything Biden tried to do on this issue. Whether or not we are less safe as a result is an open question but I think we are.

@peenie absolutely owning @Strike in this thread.

Hardly. I’m not saying the shooter was a conservative or anything. I’m not blaming Trump for this crime either. I am only saying that Biden imposed some things to try and reduce gun violence and Trump is reversing them. That bothers me. I think we’re going to be prone to more gun violence now, more mass shootings. I hope I’m wrong.

It would certainly appease me. Return him, prove he is a gang member (or otherwise undesirable, if he beat up his wife that’s enough for me) and deport him again. I will have no complaint if that happens.

I don’t like that Trump is reversing everything Biden tried to do to make us safer. I think that has consequences.

The other fact that @TBayXXXVII is ignoring is this: a jury found him guilty. After hearing the evidence.

Related? https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/17/trump-gun-violence-public-health-advisory-00234171

I feel stupid even arguing this issue with you so I’m not going to do it. It shouldn’t even be a question whether or not white privilege exists in our society. It shouldn’t be a debatable topic. But then again I have debated conservatives like yourself over the existence of man-made climate change, Covid-19 and the effectiveness of vaccines, whether or not Joe Biden won the election in 2020, etc. Every time I get sucked into this I feel dumb.

No thanks. I have led you to the well. Not gonna stick your head in. Drink if you want to, or continue to be wrong, your call.

Nope. And the dogs and cats are too busy being eaten to live together. But we ARE looking at stagflation according to Jerome Powell. Trump’s response is to slam Powell and call for his termination….meanwhile, the Dow continues to plummet yesterday and today. Nearly all the gains created when Trump announced his 90 day pause are now erased….

The obvious examples of white privilege the you and I receive on a daily basis but minorities do not.

If she committed a crime, she should be prosecuted. Doesn’t change the fact that she was correct to prosecute Donald Trump:

Really sad that you ignore reality. I suggest you read this and perhaps reconsider your position, which is currently untenable: https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2017/07/24/10-examples-that-prove-white-privilege-exists-in-every-aspect-imaginable

This is simply not true. I don’t believe that anyone should be allowed to cross the border illegally. I would change the law if I could, and I would offer a different form of punishment. But the ends never justify the means. I believe it’s OK to break the law when obeying the law is clearly immoral, but in that instance the means aren’t being justified by the ends.

You remind me a bit of my late father, who could never understand why I was upset over the Ruby Ridge shootout in the 90s. My dad would argue: “the guy was a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a white supremacist. Why should I care about him?” I replied because the FBI trespassed without a warrant and shot him. The ends never justifies the means. Not then, not now.

What does this have to do with due process?

All I’m asking is for evidence that any deportations were done without due process. Should be easy for you to provide.

Your assumptions mean nothing. Please provide a link.

It won’t help us. Actually it may end up serving to raise prices even more.

Can you provide a link to your first statement please?

Just so I understand your position (since you always accuse me of misunderstanding you): do you regard gay marriage as “whacko extremism”?

There is no evidence that he was illegal or a gang member, and he never received due process. Why do you keep repeating this lie?

I’m guessing nowhere since there’s no record of Obama deporting anyone without due process? Unless you have a link that reports otherwise? Why do you keep making these wild assertions without any link to back them up? (Note- it wouldn’t shock me if there is a case somewhere of Obama deporting somebody without proper due process. If that happened, it’s worth condemning. All administrations make mistakes, and almost all do bad things from time to time. What makes the Trump people so uniquely awful in this instance is that they not only refuse to do anything about it, they are actually gloating about breaking the law.)

I haven’t seen any information that this guy is a gang member, I also haven’t seen any information that he’s a bad person, other than the testimony of the discredited police officer. Several people here have posted that there is new damning info out there but have failed to link any of it. In any event all of this is irrelevant to the main issue which is that this guy never received due process. I will repeat what I wrote before: I don’t care if the dude is a combination of Ted Bundy and Charles Manson; he needs to be returned to the USA because he was sent away without due process. Full stop.

He also lies and makes assertions without any links. Constantly.