The Real timschochet

It just shows that it’s all a game to them. Unfortunately a costly one for the taxpayer (and for the economy.)

OK time to put an end to this absolutely disingenuous, dishonest argument. The Democrats during the Civil War era were politically CONSERVATIVE and racists. They are YOUR philosophical ancestors, not mine. Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans were LIBERAL. That’s why they were referred to as the “Radical Republicans”. You have no claim on them. Lincoln would look at the current batch of Know-Nothings in the Republican Party and declare that he wanted nothing to do with it. (For that matter so would Reagan.) You guys have disgraced the GOP.

You think it’s funny that a bunch of thugs behave illegally? I can see that the Brown Shirts would have given you lots of giggles.

You asked for ANY examples. Shows you’re not serious.

Seriously? https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-06-10/la-chamber-for-comprehensive-immigration-reform-that-reflects-reality-of-todays-workforce https://advocacy.calchamber.com/policy/issues/immigration-reform/ And this is a bit older but the view hasn’t changed much: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/story/60-chambers-of-commerce-call-on-congress-to-protect-daca-and-tps/ The U.S. Chamber has taken the lead on this issue.

As I’ve pointed out countless times, the actual facts contradict you. They don’t cost government more than they put in, they don’t steal jobs, and they have no effect on people who come here with documents. Everything you wrote is 100% wrong.

What did I lie about?

I’ll never prove it to you until the next election. And then we’ll see. I admit not much can be done until then. Unless…. Im actually hoping somebody can get to Trump and tell him how stupid this is. I’ve always gotten the sense that he doesn’t take this nearly as seriously as Stephen Miller and the MAGA fanatics out there. Trump has, after all, used plenty of undocumented labor on his properties. Maybe he’ll come around when he sees the effects.

You’re one of those guys.

Well first I linked to you an article about how the raids hurt our economy. I can link several more. Or just Google it. They’re all over the place. Second: undocumented labor in jobs that the vast majority of Americans don’t want keep prices low and therefore give American workers more spending power. That is greatly to their benefit.

In the history of this nation we have never fully enforced our immigration laws. We don’t today. They’re unworkable. Trump’s attempt to enforce them, haphazardly in target raids aimed at largely Hispanic communities, is itself unlawful.

I haven’t encountered a chamber of commerce, anywhere, in favor of deportations. I HAVE encountered many opposed. If you have contradictory evidence please present it.

I find it interesting that none of you are denying that this is hurting the economy. You seem to be saying “OK, so be it.” I am frankly counting on this being a minority opinion.

Businesses didn’t make that choice on their own. Consumers as well. As I wrote, the entire economy. It’s called capitalism. And if these folks want to be here for the pay they’re receiving I don’t think you can call it exploitation.

It was never out of control. And I have never apologized for anyone. It’s the reverse: you and others are apologizing for the deportations. As far as compelling goes, what can I say? My observation has been that there is nothing more compelling to the average voter than how things affect his pocketbook. But maybe you’re right that this will be the one and only exception to that rule. I doubt it. We’ll see.

If this were the case every chamber of commerce (made up of small businesses) would be in favor of these raids. But in fact it’s the opposite. They’re all opposed because small businesses depend on this labor. You’re crushing them by scaring these people off.

Not only California the entire U.S. economy is based on these people.

Trump is prepared to give up the Sudetenland but is drawing a line at Prague. Oh wait…

Who are you, Charlie Kirk now? GTFOH

lol dude you NEVER respect my opinion! Anyhow didn’t mean anything by it

I wasn’t being nasty. I want to live in a society in which nobody needs to ask the question that you asked.

If you have to ask this question then IMO you’re part of the problem. But to answer you: I would prefer a more woke society in which most people are both tolerant and accepting of gays and trans and regarded these people as normal, worthy of dignity and respect, and consideration. We’re far removed from that and to me this is depressing.

I read posts like this and I wonder, how many people still feel this way? Enough I suppose. It’s depressing.

Christ the Jewish rabbi, you mean?

Goldman Sachs analyst predicts tarrifs will create rising prices; Trump is so angry that he demands analyst be fired: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/08/12/trump-solomon-goldman-sachs-economist-tariffs.html