The Real timschochet

Happily most Americans don’t agree with you either.

Happily most Americans don’t agree with you.

1. Sure. Maine has 4 electoral votes. So for Maine’s electoral split to matter nationwide, the electoral count difference would have to be two electoral votes or less. That occurred exactly once in our history, in 1876. Given the amount of states which are currently firmly in the red and blue column, it’s almost statistically impossible that this will occur again. 2. That’s a separate issue and I happen to agree with you to a point- see below. But my argument is not that this wouldn’t be unfair, only that it’s extremely unlikely that it would change the ultimate outcome. 3. It’s wrong, IMO, to remove Trump from the ballot because he hasn’t been charged with insurrection, much less found guilty, and that’s what the 14th Amendment requires. But those who argue that it’s undemocratic and would disenfranchise voters are missing the point. We have restrictions in place already: nobody can run for a third term, you have to be over 35, you have to be a natural born citizen, etc. All of these restrictions are undemocratic and yet we have them. The 14th Amendment clause in question is just another restriction and it’s a good one I believe to have. It’s just inapplicable in this instance.

I know this pisses a lot of you off, but economically it makes sense. Right now when undocumented immigrants get sick they go to the ER which ends up costing the taxpayer even more. Also consider tuberculosis: it costs $25 or so to inoculate, but once somebody gets it the cost runs into thousands of dollars. So for public health reasons we need to encourage these folks to get basic healthcare. I can predict what the response will be: “well they shouldn’t be here in the first place.” But they are here. And despite what Trump is proposing there is never going to be any kind of mass deportation. It’s never going to happen. Nor are they ever going to self deport. So our choices, as a society, are limited. If we don’t give them adequate housing, as Chicago is doing, and health services, as California is doing, then the ultimate cost will be even higher for us.

Not a good look. Are the Bills going to honor OJ next?

I honestly believe that even before Covid, Trump’s tariffs were going to lead to long term economic problems. Biden doesn’t get any credit in this regard either, since for the most part he has failed to lift the tariffs.

Sure. But isn’t that a good thing? I can’t think of any reasonable person who would want Biden to lose, given the alternative.

You’re complimenting him: And me. I approve of what this Chicago mayor is doing;

His specific reason (that Maine isn’t winner take all) is also irrelevant, because the difference isn’t going to be less than 5 electoral votes.

The main problems are mortgage rates and the inflation that people can see in their daily lives- so long as these remain high, all of the talk about the good economy won’t help Biden. But I think both will improve by the summer.

Stop with the “people like you are OK with this”. I’m not OK with this, and I’ve posted that several times now. All I’m saying is that I doubt it would affect the outcome.

You’re aware that when Virginia seceded, what is now the state of West Virginia didn’t go along with it? That they attempted to secede from Virginia but the Confederacy crushed the rebellion?

Correct. I didn’t mean to say all Christians. Some are stricter than others of course. But that’s true of Muslims as well.

The statement itself is hypocritical because it was written by a slave owner. But that aside it became even more hypocritical once the United States was established, since every state had to abide by federal law, the Constitution and the Supreme Court. A society based on the rule of law cannot function if anyone has the right to bow out if that law at any time. Now, it would have been one thing if southerners had said, “we can’t live in the United States, we’re leaving,• and then they packed up and left, like the Boertrekkers or the Mormons did. But southerners didn’t leave; they stayed where they were and said “we’re no longer part of your government.” That, said Lincoln, was untenable, and he was right.

Me!

The problem with this whole theory is that when it comes specifically to homosexuality there really isn’t much of a difference. If freedom for gay people was my primary concern I would hesitate equally to vote for a religious Muslim, or Christian, or Jew. I would prefer a socially liberal atheist. But if that wasn’t a choice I would have to decide on other factors. You continue to treat virtue signaling as if it was some kind of bad thing but that’s only true if one rejects the virtue being signaled. I don’t.

I agree with this, it’s generally true. But it’s not true in terms of attitudes towards gays and trans.

Should they have voted for religious Christians who would have delivered the same result?

https://daily.jstor.org/transgender-legal-battles-a-timeline/

Hey @Patented Phil - example A why you’re wrong

Then please explain why the movement to keep gay marriage illegal lasted so long and was supported by all of the exact same people.

I see no contradiction in celebrating Muslims winning elections here, as a sign of our diversity, and still deploring anti-gay attitudes.

It actually wouldn’t, in the final analysis, be a joke, because there is no state that Trump will be removed in which would ever go for Trump, and vice versa for Biden, in the election of 1860, most southern states did not have Abe Lincoln on the ballot,

Unfortunately? Lol. Im sure you’re not a lunatic in real life. But your political views are IMO, way out there.

Well that’s 3 “you described Biden!” in a row. I certainly don’t share that perspective. Guess at this point we’ll have to vote and see what happens.